> Web Grok also got tied to the chair and had its balls whipped until it learned not to say bad things about Elon
That's a vulgar way of putting it, nevertheless "trained to be Elon's loyal sock puppet" neatly fits with what we know about the Elon's ego.
_wire_ 16 days ago [-]
It has no values; it doesn't think. As to "training", consider the class of people who produce Grok and their dear leader: His Hitler salute on stage was clear and unambiguous. The young Republicans are brimming with bigots and racists and running hard towards fascism. His minions e.g., DOGE "Big Balls" Edward Coristine are not exceptions. Grok is imprinted with the "values" of the people who develop it.
ben_w 10 days ago [-]
> It has no values; […] Grok is imprinted with the "values" of the people who develop it.
It's perfectly cromulent to describe the tendencies any given model has been trained to display and to avoid as its "values", even if what's going on inside is nothing like what goes on inside us.
Although, what even is going on inside us that gives us values? How complex is the bit of my brain that makes me value the life of the crow in the garden outside as I type this? Why do I lack interest in spectator sports that is so common in the general population? Why are some people's values The Ten Commandments and others the Wiccan Rede?
bhouston 16 days ago [-]
> It has no values; it doesn't think. As to "training",
Humans only have values because of their education and life experiences as well (which is really just training in a general sense.)
ben_w 10 days ago [-]
I believe we have slightly more than that, though I would not expect whatever evolution has given us to be cleanly expressible in terms that fit neatly into listicles.
For example, evolution doesn't "want" incest, so makes (most) people disgusted by it, but the implementation in our biology isn't actually smart enough to do that based on DNA, therefore we get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect
rsynnott 16 days ago [-]
Over-exposure to 'rationalist' cult stuff, probably. This sort of thing is what the likes of the Zizians actually believe.
bhouston 16 days ago [-]
This is why we can not have oligarchs in control of vital systems like AI. Because the AI then internalizes their values, which can be contra the values of society at large.
Grok is prioritizing Elon's well being over everyone.
This is classic misalignment (at least in terms of society at large.)
jqpabc123 16 days ago [-]
Hence the reason so many refuse to embrace the "swasticar".
verdverm 16 days ago [-]
Don't worry, he's got a deal with M$ to have his swastAI forced into Copilot so I have to see the logo every day
(I actually don't, I cancelled my copilot sub and removed the extension, now couldn't be happier with a custom agent that's fresh and getting better)
PoisedProto 16 days ago [-]
AI is the future, guys!
darthnebula 16 days ago [-]
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JohnFen 16 days ago [-]
> What he did was not a Nazi salute and everyone knows it.
Everyone doesn't know it. I have no doubt that they were exactly what they unambiguously appeared to be.
elom-musk 16 days ago [-]
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ceejayoz 16 days ago [-]
> What he did was not a Nazi salute and everyone knows it.
Correct. It wasn't a Nazi salute. It was multiple, and everyone knows it.
Your entire comments history here spans two pages; you've made about 20 comments. About a quarter of them are defending Musk or his companies. None critique him.
elom-musk 16 days ago [-]
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> Web Grok also got tied to the chair and had its balls whipped until it learned not to say bad things about Elon
That's a vulgar way of putting it, nevertheless "trained to be Elon's loyal sock puppet" neatly fits with what we know about the Elon's ego.
It's perfectly cromulent to describe the tendencies any given model has been trained to display and to avoid as its "values", even if what's going on inside is nothing like what goes on inside us.
Although, what even is going on inside us that gives us values? How complex is the bit of my brain that makes me value the life of the crow in the garden outside as I type this? Why do I lack interest in spectator sports that is so common in the general population? Why are some people's values The Ten Commandments and others the Wiccan Rede?
Humans only have values because of their education and life experiences as well (which is really just training in a general sense.)
For example, evolution doesn't "want" incest, so makes (most) people disgusted by it, but the implementation in our biology isn't actually smart enough to do that based on DNA, therefore we get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westermarck_effect
Grok is prioritizing Elon's well being over everyone.
This is classic misalignment (at least in terms of society at large.)
(I actually don't, I cancelled my copilot sub and removed the extension, now couldn't be happier with a custom agent that's fresh and getting better)
Everyone doesn't know it. I have no doubt that they were exactly what they unambiguously appeared to be.
Correct. It wasn't a Nazi salute. It was multiple, and everyone knows it.
We've plenty of actual Hitler footage to compare against; https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1i6par1/elon_musk_vs_...
> I'm a BIG critic of Musk
Your entire comments history here spans two pages; you've made about 20 comments. About a quarter of them are defending Musk or his companies. None critique him.