Maybe I’m missing it but the page is really light on technical information. Is this a quantized / distilled model of a larger LLM? Which one? How many parameters? What quantization? What T/s can I expect? What are the VRAM requirements? Etc etc
Either LFM2.5-1.6B-4bit or Qwen3.5-2B-8bit or Qwen3.5-4B-4bit
sync 1 days ago [-]
Hmm, the Mac app downloaded gemma-3-4b-it-Q4_K_M.gguf for me (on an Apple M4) - maybe the desktop apps download different models?
Though, I don't see any references to Gemma at all in the open source code...
embedding-shape 1 days ago [-]
Huh, 1.6B/2B/4B models, I guess they weren't joking when they said "not as powerful as ChatGPT or Claude Code". Also unsure why they said "Claude Code", it's not an CLI agent AFAIK?
dr_kiszonka 1 days ago [-]
I so wanted to love Liquid AI's models, but despite their speed I was never able to get anything useful out of them. Even their larger models can't be trusted with simple stuff like inserting a column into a markdown table. The advertised tool calling is also not great. What I found interesting was that the ones I tried were a little light on guardrails.
I would really like to know what people use these small and tiny models for. If any high-karma users are reading it, would you consider posting Ask HN?
dgb23 1 days ago [-]
This seems to be a general chat app, but otherwise small models can be very effective within the right use cases and orchestration.
embedding-shape 1 days ago [-]
> otherwise small models can be very effective within the right use cases and orchestration
very limited amount of use cases, perhaps. As a generalized chat assistant? I'm not sure you'd be able to get anything of value out from them, but happy to be proven otherwise. I have all of those locally already, without fine-tuning, what use case could I try right now where any of those are "very effective"?
dgb23 1 days ago [-]
Judging from my experimentation with local models:
You can use a small coding model to produce working code with a deterministic workflow (ex: state machine) if you carefully prune the context and filter down what it can do per iteration. Instead of letting it "reason" through an ever growing history, you give it distinct piecemeal steps with tailored context.
I think this can be generalized to:
Anything that can be built from small, well understood pieces and can be validated and fixed step by step. Then the challenge becomes designing these workflows and automating them.
(I'm not there yet, but one thing I have in mind might be a hybrid approach where the planning is produced by a more expensive model. The output it has to produce are data driven state machines or behavior trees (so they can be validated deterministically). Then it offloads the grunt work to a small, local model. When it's done, the work gets checked etc.)
Mashimo 1 days ago [-]
> Also unsure why they said "Claude Code", it's not an CLI agent AFAIK?
Claude Code is a Desktop app as well.
yomismoaqui 1 days ago [-]
The consfusing way AI companies like to name products is something to be studied.
Oxodao 11 hours ago [-]
tbf they're not the only one doing so, we had 3 different "Microsoft Teams" and "Outlook" until recently...
embedding-shape 1 days ago [-]
Ok, but "Claude Code"/"Claude Desktop" regardless is software, a tool, not a model/LLM. Doesn't make much sense as they've written it.
Mashimo 1 days ago [-]
For the end user who just installs the app it's probably all the same. It's not a technical document.
For the user it's just important that the small grimlin that sits in the Ente app is not as smart as the grimlin that sits in the Claude app.
lancekey 1 days ago [-]
I don’t think so. IIRC the desktop app is called Claude and it has a code option in the UI.
anthuswilliams 20 hours ago [-]
Claude Cowork (part of the Desktop app) is claude code, running inside a VM.
The only takeaway for me from this is that the Ente is at < $10m/year in revenue. Because the LFM model license has a commercial use threshold of $10m.
I tried it on my iPhone 13 mini. I believe the model you get changes depending on your phone specs. For me it downloaded a ~1.3GB model which can speak in complete sentences but can’t do much beyond that. Can’t blame them though—that model is tiny, and my device wasn’t designed for this.
ahofmann 1 days ago [-]
I have the same questions. After installing the app, it downloads 2.5 GB of data. I presume this is the model.
FusionX 1 days ago [-]
Given how the blog is presented, I assumed this was something novel that solved a unique problem, maybe a local multi-modal assistant for your device.
I installed it and it's none of that. It is a mere wrapper around small local LLM models. And, it's not even multi-modal! Anyone could've one-shotted this in Claude in an hour (I'm not exaggerating).
What's the target audience here? Your average person doesn't care about the privacy value proposition (at least not by severely sacrificing chat model's quality). And users who do want that control can already install LMStudio/Llama.cpp (which is dead simple to setup).
The actual release product should've been what's described in "What's next" section.
> Instead of general chat, we shape Ensu to have a more specialized interface, say like a single, never-ending note you keep writing on, while the LLM offers suggestions, critiques, reminders, context, alternatives, viewpoints, quotes. A second brain, if you will.
> A more utilitarian take, say like an Android Launcher, where the LLM is an implementation detail behind an existing interaction that people are already used to.
> Your agent, running on your phone. No setup, no management, no manual backups. An LLM that grows with you, remembers you, your choices, manages your tasks, and has long-term memory and personality.
post-it 1 days ago [-]
> Anyone could've one-shotted this in Claude in an hour
I think they did. If you start the download and then open the sidebar and/or background the app, the download progress bar disappears and is replaced by the download button. If you press the download button again, the progress bar reappears at the correct point.
I find that Claude often makes little statefulness mistakes like that. Human developers do too, but the slower and more iterative nature of human development makes it more likely that that would get caught.
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jubilanti 1 days ago [-]
> Anyone could've one-shotted this in Claude in an hour (I'm not exaggerating).
This probably could have been one-shotted with Sonnet, not even Opus. Given how over indexed they are on LLM coding, Haiku might even be able to do it.
This is actually an interesting coding model benchmark task now that I think about it.
chatmasta 22 hours ago [-]
Is “this could have been one-shotted with Sonnet” the new “I could build this in a weekend?”
stirfish 18 hours ago [-]
I always stop to ask myself, "but did I?" Usually I haven't, and that takes the edge off for me
cyanydeez 1 days ago [-]
You'd think any one of these great LLMs that claim coding is over would take a non-trivial app and just clone it while fully documenting the process.
If it's so great, why is there so little viscera documenting it's greatness? Just lots and lots of words.
girvo 21 hours ago [-]
They've done that for some tech, and the output has been... well, kind of impressive that it works at all, but bad in other ways (a GCC clone, SQLite re-impl, among others)
Coding is definitely not over IMO. Not yet anyway
ttul 1 days ago [-]
I hate to say it, but this looks like the sort of thing a CEO told their team to build on Monday morning in a panic because they are grasping for ways to participate in the AI craze. And the team did just that: they built it that morning using Claude Code.
There is truly nothing original here and the product doesn't have a chance in hell of earning money. Local LLMs on-device will be dominated by the device vendors, whose control of the hardware stack combined with their ability to subsidize billions of dollars of machine learning research gives them an unfair advantage. Apple knows what the next generation of silicon will deliver, and their ML engineers are already hard at work building models that will be highly optimized for that silicon a year or two ahead of time. Open source models are really great and are backed by well funded labs; however, delivering these models on-device in a way that pleases users will never be easier than it is for the vendors of the devices.
Plus, device vendors have ways of making money from local LLMs that third-party app providers do not. They can make their local LLM free and earn money on the hardware play, without skipping a beat on the billions of dollars of ongoing R&D. I don't see how third party app vendors make money here when they will be competing with the decent, totally free alternative that Apple and Google (and Samsung etc.) will load on in the next year or two.
prism56 22 hours ago [-]
To be fair I've followed ente for a while and they seem to let their teams have side projects if it falls in line with the overall ente ethos.
Same with Kagi. Thats where Kagi news was born.
I quite like the ethos, but this Ensu definitely seems underbaked.
weakened_malloc 19 hours ago [-]
I do find it quite funny how unless you're using one of the frontier labs interfaces, more or less all other 'model providers' are using small models that work on a macbook. Proton did something similar - I've tried their version and I find it pretty awful relative to just running Qwen 3.5 locally.
jimbokun 17 hours ago [-]
You would think so but Apple certainly hasn’t managed it yet.
Barbing 1 days ago [-]
Wanted to share a message here with the CEO not to feel too bad because little is more common than getting caught by this tech
I write my comment with admiration for founders, because I am one. That being said, chasing trends without paying attention to the steamroller has killed more than one very good company and I have plenty of scar tissue as evidence...
usrusr 1 days ago [-]
Counter position (not sure it's better than yours): what are the chances that device makers would actually offer seriously local, and not just something that does work in airplane mode, but then still connects to their cloud later, if not for post-sale monetization then at least for features providing better brand lock-in? I mean just look at how well the market for TV sets that don't try to shove "services" down buyers' throats is developing...
But sure, making money with standalone "local first is our headline feature" will be incredibly hard against those, no doubt about that. In light of the limited quality of what local models can achieve, the privacy bonus just won't compel many to pay. But that only means that this "morning with Claude" you are suggesting might be just the right amount of investment for the result you'd realistically expect. But is that so bad? I'd argue the reverse: bundling up the low hanging fruit but not by some hobbyist who will lose interest two weeks on but by a company big enough the keep it going while small enough to not be a VC furnace that will inevitably turn on users once the runway runs out (*), that's an opportunity to fill a niche few others can. Valuable for users who don't want to roll their own deployment of open source models (can't, or unwilling to commit to keeping them up to date, assuming that Ente does keep that ball rolling), and also valuable for the company of the investment actually is so low that it pays by raising awareness for their other products that apparently do earn them money.
(*) I was googling around a little wondering if they actually are as close to bootstrapped as they seem on the surface, and yes, that's supposedly the core idea [0], but despite that they also took 100 kUSD in "non-diluting" (basically a gift then?) from Mozilla with the explicit goal "to promote independent AI and machine learning" [1]. So not a CEO whim but following up to a promise made earlier. If they actually did avoid spending all that money on a one-off but went smaller planning to keep it current for a longer time horizon, I'd congratulate them on an excellent choice.
The hn discussion for [1] seems to be completely missing the point, that Mozilla program isn't about funding an image host (yeah, I'd also prefer if Mozilla focused on the Browser and perhaps Thunderbird, but the foundation is what it is): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41681666
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kylehotchkiss 1 days ago [-]
Local LLM options for less technical people is worth celebrating IMO. No, not "anybody" can have one-shotted this in CC in an hour.
We have not seen a tidal wave of untechnical people vibe coding up their own software solutions.
jermaustin1 1 days ago [-]
> We have not seen a tidal wave of untechnical people vibe coding up their own software solutions.
When my little brother who is a drummer, and has never even looked at "code" before, had claude on-shot a python app that let him download songs on youtube, extract the stems, collect tempo/key/etc information, then feed that into his DAW, all without ever looking at code, knowing what any of it did, etc., I knew that we were about to see a LOT of single-use applications.
I'm not against it, honestly. I have always written little one-off scripts and apps that accomplished something faster than manually, now that those one-shots are possible with an LLM in seconds sometimes, it makes all my personal scripts so much easier... that said, I definitely read the scripts that are output, and attempt to step through them in a debugger before assuming it is all good.
collabs 1 days ago [-]
To add to this, the value that ente or someone like that can bring to the table here is a firm pledge to improve it and maintain it going forward.
That to me is more valuable than code vibe coded by Claude in one afternoon.
nozzlegear 1 days ago [-]
edit: nevermind I misread a word and made a social faux pas
I do agree that more local LLM options are always better.
Barbing 1 days ago [-]
naux pas :)
Barbing 1 days ago [-]
>not
nozzlegear 1 days ago [-]
Ope
moffkalast 1 days ago [-]
Probably just another ollama-type service who wants to slide themselves in between the user and local models, so they can take all the credit and work on convenience based platform lock-in, then later introduce paid tiers.
jimbokun 17 hours ago [-]
That could be very valuable for a lot of users.
And I don’t think they are trying to hide the strategy to have paid tiers, that’s what they did for their other product.
reactordev 1 days ago [-]
It’s a platform play so they can get people onto their defunct photos platform. “Big Tech” in a little suit.
i80and 1 days ago [-]
Defunct? I just switched to it a couple months ago, and it seems actively developed.
(Though I think this announcement is sufficiently unpleasant I'm starting to reconsider)
PhilipRoman 23 hours ago [-]
Ente has a killer feature of supporting actual end-to-end encryption for photos. That alone puts them above many other competitors.
fauigerzigerk 1 days ago [-]
How is Ente Photos defunct? It's getting new features all the time and it works extremely well for me.
buster 1 days ago [-]
What do you when you say defunct photos platform?
Barbing 1 days ago [-]
All about immich now right?
xtracto 1 days ago [-]
I would love to see a "distributed LLM" system, where people can easily setup a system to perform a "piece" of a "mega model" inference or training. Kind of like SETI@home but for an open LLM (like https://github.com/evilsocket/cake but massive )
Ideally if you "participate" in the network, you would get "credits" to use it proportionally to how much GPU power you have provided to the network. Or if you can't, then buy credits (payment would be distributed as credits to other participants).
That way we could build huge LLMs that area really open and are not owned by any network.
I would LOVE to participate in building that as well.
There's dozens of local inference apps that basically wrap llama.cpp and someone else's GGUFs. The decentralized sync history part seems new? Not much else. But the advertisement copy is so insufferably annoying in how it presents this wrapper as a product.
Have a comparison chart to Ollama, LMStudio, LocalAI, Exo, Jan.AI, GPT4ALL, PocketPal, etc.
bee_rider 1 days ago [-]
There are so many wrappers that are obviously wrappers. I wonder if part of the value proposition here is that it is “like a product.” I have no idea if they actually achieve that, though, and doubt it really could be proven on a site.
gardnr 1 days ago [-]
oMLX is worth a look too if you are on a mac.
moqster 1 days ago [-]
Heard the first time about them (ente) yesterday in a discussion about "which 2FA are u using?". Directly switched to https://ente.com/auth/ on Android and Linux Desktop and very happy with it.
Going to give this a try...
_factor 1 days ago [-]
You presumably had a working 2fa app already, but off the cuff decide to switch to new unvetted variant X; basically unknown auth system after reading a few paragraphs of text in an afternoon?
Does this seem sound?
yolo_420 1 days ago [-]
Ente is extremely well known in the privacy circles, so this is not just some random company with a random app out of nowhere.
Check PrivacyGuides for example.
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testdelacc1 1 days ago [-]
Ok I checked privacyguides.
Here’s where it was added to PrivacyGuides - https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org/issues/36.... The person opening the issue is the CEO of ente. So the CEO of ente gets his company mentioned in PrivacyGuides back when it was new and that makes it more legit?
yolo_420 1 days ago [-]
PrivacyGuides goes through their own process of vetting (whether you would agree with their process or not that’s another topic) so I think the discussion to add Ente Photos is the more relevant link
https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/ente-photo-management/11...
ignoramous 19 hours ago [-]
> PrivacyGuides goes through their own process of vetting ... so I think the discussion
The discussion is not all that relevant as PrivacyGuides does not rely solely on community input. The core team pretty much generates content and lists recommendations based on (what they claim is) their own research (which isn't saying much).
The forum and community really give us a lot of external insights, with the voting system letting us poll how popular something is.
While we put a very heavy importance on the community consensus, it is mostly up to the team to decide what comes and goes, where more heavy decisions require more votes...
A reason why it has never really been written out is that policies can be gamed, and the team really wants to be able to veto decisions...
As far as "evaluating"/reviewing tools the methods to do so are not documented...
While I would have the same reaction, in this case I think it is a sane decision. Ente is cornering the privacy market and I think they're doing a great job. They have a lot to lose (trust) and it would be stupid if they did something shady with the data entered in the 2FA app.
PurpleRamen 1 days ago [-]
Not knowing them, how could OP trust them instantly? Whether they really have that trust or not, you have to know them for a while and from many different trustable sources. The story is a bit strange.
dotancohen 1 days ago [-]
There are the issues of competence and track record, not only intent.
stonogo 1 days ago [-]
> cornering the privacy market
this seems self-contradictory
ahofmann 1 days ago [-]
Sorry, English is not my first language and I tried to look clever.
deltoidmaximus 1 days ago [-]
I ended up picking them because they were the only open source one that worked on all my devices IIRC.
They just store tokens, without other FA at "worst" you get locked of your account but nobody else has access either. You're also supposed to, as good practice, not be limited to token generation and typically have a dozen or so of recovery tokens. Also if they were somewhat not working at doing the 1 task they should do, namely generate tokens, then you won't be able to use them so it won't even be added.
So... I might be missing something, can you please explain what worries you and why I should thus worry too?
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zaphod12 1 days ago [-]
if it helps, I've used ente for a year and I really like it.
ignoramous 19 hours ago [-]
> new unvetted variant X; basically unknown auth system
Valid concerns. In the case of Ente Auth though, it is used by folks working at CERN [0], who also sponsored a recent security audit: https://ente.com/blog/cern-audit/
Not saying they’re a paid promoter. But if I paid someone to speak about my newly launched product, they’d say something exactly like that. “Never heard of these guys before, but I loved their other product you’ve never heard of. I’m super excited to try this one!”
dotancohen 1 days ago [-]
I'm very happy syncing between KeepassXC on Debian and Keepass2Android on mobile. It handles TOTP accoss devices.
What I'm missing is a way to create and use Passkeys across devices. My use case does not support creating a new Passkey on every device, I need to sync them via servers I control. The system that supports that will be the system that I migrate to.
mschulze 1 days ago [-]
Oh, wow, thanks for posting that. I switched to Ente for my photos recently, had no idea they also have a 2FA app. I was looking for a replacement for Aegis (after a switch to iOS), and this can even import from Aegis backup files. Neat. This means I can finally ditch my old phone I still had to have around just for 2FA :)
dmboyd 1 days ago [-]
I was just thinking their end goal seems to be to harvest creds by putting their own rebadged distribution of local models. That’s the only “business” model that makes sense.
Expressly harvesting creds through a 2FA app seems a little more direct.
sylens 1 days ago [-]
Ente offers E2EE photo hosting, the storage they sell through subscriptions to that is their business model. Their main selling point is that all machine learning to cluster faces is done on your devices. I would assume that they want more users to train their models on to improve their core offering
hrmtst93837 1 days ago [-]
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moontear 1 days ago [-]
And you can self-host the server if you want to! Running Ente Auth since quite a while now and am very happy with it.
buster 1 days ago [-]
I don't understand all the hate about ente, to be honest.
Ente seems to try to solve the big tech lock in with their apps.
Personally, i'm a very happy Ente Photos user, so what's the problem with Ensu?
It's available on desktops and mobile, it's an app trying to give all a little bit more privacy and freedom and yet most comments are just hating on it.
If you can vibe code Ensu in a week end, please do. Make a better clone if you want to, but don't hate on someone for their work for stupid reasons.
MillironX 21 hours ago [-]
My personal gripe with Ente is that they seem to value making new half-baked products over making their current products feature-complete. Case-in-point: RAW photos are still not supported in Ente Photos [1]. Locker and now Ensu got priority over a key feature in making the Photos app a photos app.
I think the hate boils down to "I could've built it in a day with Claude, but didn't, so they suck" sour grapes.
When the comments here say "there's no value because anyone could've compiled llama.cpp", you can see how detached from reality these people are.
Even jumping through the hoops to get an app on Play Store and Apple Store — an app that I can tell my friends to look up and download — is worth a lot.
An app that is also is available on Mac and PC, mind you.
I'm an ex-Google/Meta/Microsoft/Roblox software engineer, and I couldn't be bothered to do any of that.
Neither could the rest of HN. But I'm not the one complaining about lack of novelty or value in this proposition.
RandomGerm4n 1 days ago [-]
I like the idea of having a user-friendly app that lets you use LLMs locally. Tools like Ollama and LMStudio tend to put most people off because you have to decide for yourself which models to use and there are so many settings to configure. If the hardware you’re using is compatible, Ensu could be a drop-in replacement for casual ChatGPT users.
However, it’s a bit confusing because, for example, a larger LLM model was downloaded to my smartphone than to my computer. It would probably make the most sense if the app simply categorized devices into five different tiers and then, depending on which performance tier a device falls into, downloaded the appropriate model and simply informed the user of the performance tier.
Over time, it would then be possible to periodically replace the LLM for each tier with better ones, or to redefine the device performance tiers based on hardware advancements.
drak0n1c 1 days ago [-]
Osaurus is what I use for local - it's a native Swift macOS app with sandboxing, agent tooling, and server capabilities. Mac only though.
jimmyjazz14 1 days ago [-]
LLMStudio is pretty darn easy and if I recall it recommends a model to install when you first start it
jasongill 1 days ago [-]
I love Ente Auth, but Ente (as a company/organization) does a somewhat poor job of calling out their non-photos apps in their branding and on their website. If you go to the "Download" button at the top of the page on this page about their LLM chat app, it downloads... their photo sharing application. If you click Sign Up, it takes you to a signup page with the browser title "Ente Photos" but the page text says "Private backups for your memories" with a picture of a lock - is that the Ente Auth signup, or the Ente Photos app signup?
A little bit of cleanup on their site to break out "Ente, our original photo sharing app" from the rest of their apps would do wonders, because I had to search around on the announcement to find the download for this app, which feels about like trying to find the popular Ente Auth app on their website
cromka 1 days ago [-]
This is one of the reason I, as their user, am moving away. Things feel half-baked and I stopped trusting it with my data. I self host and the details for this were all over the place. Some of my contributions cleaning up the docs were rejected, so I grew even more wary. I am moving to Immich, even though I'd prefer e2ee for my photos even if I self host them.
Further proving my point, I wasn't sure if you - a fellow commenter! - were talking about Ente Auth or Ente Photos until I re-read your comment and the linked issue. I think that they have great product(s) but terrible branding and apparently some growing pains as well.
cromka 20 hours ago [-]
I used both, actually. I root for them, too, but for the time being I am splitting.
kelvinjps10 22 hours ago [-]
Well ente photos is the one that provides the funding
netfl0 1 days ago [-]
Weird hype going on here in comments.
kylehotchkiss 1 days ago [-]
Also weird arrogance. Yeah, somebody else could have vibe coded it in a week. But they didn't, so they don't get the 100 HN klout points for it.
Helping non-technical people get off of ChatGPT.com and using increasingly better local models seems worth celebrating and continued iteration.
alterom 12 hours ago [-]
>Also weird arrogance
It's part for the course, yet I'm still surprised.
My favorite so far is a commenter proudly touting their own run-LLM-locally app to prove that they "did it already".
An app which is desktop only.
I am at loss when it comes to arguing with people like that.
koehr 1 days ago [-]
I just tried it. It downloaded Qwen3.5 2B on my phone and it's pretty coherent in its sentences, but really annoying with the amount of Ente products mentioned in every occasion.
Other than that it's fast enough to talk to and definitely an easy way to run a model locally on your phone.
sunaookami 1 days ago [-]
>but really annoying with the amount of Ente products mentioned in every occasion
I like Ente, but isn't their core product a photos application? Its offshoots like this and 2FA feel incongruous.
alterom 1 days ago [-]
Their core product is local ML inference in the context of a photo app, i.e. a drop-in cloud dependency removal/replacement for non-technical, privacy-conscious users as well as those who want advanced functionality offline.
This does the same for language models.
cdrnsf 23 hours ago [-]
I hadn’t thought of it that way. Makes sense.
lone-cloud 1 days ago [-]
Any half capable engineer can vibe code this in a week. Who cares?
>A desktop app for running Large Language Models locally
>desktop app
Make it an Android and iOS app, get it published in the respective stores, add cross-device sync, and then you'll have a comparable proposition.
That is, when I will be able to tell my friends to look up that Gerbil app and use that on their phone instead of ChatGPT when there's no service.
qprofyeh 10 hours ago [-]
For the ones who tried this out but want to uninstall and remove the downloaded model, because it's an iPad app it's located here: /Users/username/Library/Containers/Ensu
I've been a big fan of Ente and their work and am a paying customer but, man, this comment in a long-standing GitHub feature request is ringing truer every day:
> Ente is becoming like Proton: too many products and a lack of focus, leading to lower quality and not delivering what customers want
If you have any follow up questions, please do ask.
codethief 7 hours ago [-]
Hi Vishnu, thanks for engaging here – it is highly appreciated! Let me respond to a couple of your statements from the interview:
> I think it's important to offer a complete package
I agree. But doesn't that start with making one product (Ente Photos) good enough for people to actually be able to migrate? If Ente Photo really is your "home ground", as you say, shouldn't you prioritize accordingly? Specifically, in your response[0] to the GitHub issue I linked you say
> to pull it off with the finesse we would like, it will take us more than a quarter. […] I will mark this feature as unplanned until we have more engineering bandwidth.
But it seems you really do have the engineering bandwidth! You've just been prioritizing other products besides Ente Photos. I do understand that folder nesting in particular is a non-trivial change and if you look at the discussion on GitHub, I've actually been defending you rather heavily. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to do so – quite frankly, I am starting to doubt your product management is entirely on the right track if in 3 years you can't dedicate 3 months to the feature request with the highest number of votes by far. More generally, I am losing trust that any of your products will see enough polishing any time soon. (So I will definitely not put time into migrating anything else if I can't even migrate my photos yet.) And it seems I'm not the only one thinking that – your reputation among enthusiasts is starting to take a hit.
> There is no way Ente is going to let anyone else build a better photo app.
There are literally 1000s of these types of apps. Why is this on the Front Page?
alterom 1 days ago [-]
1000s?
I'd love to know a few more local LLM apps that are available on Android and iOS and Mac/PC under the same branding that I can point my non-technical friends to as a ChatGPT alternative that works offline (but still has sync across the devices).
Could you recommend a few?
getpokedagain 1 days ago [-]
As someone who saw this and was interested but also skeptical of this being low effort are there other open projects for running small models locally on android / iOS?
Google's AI Edge Gallery worked really well for me. It's still in early access.
treexs 16 hours ago [-]
?
hundreds of local llm apps exist
the what's next section acts novel but all of them have been achieved or created in some format already: you can run a local llm on a phone and connect it to a agent
talking_penguin 1 days ago [-]
How is this any different from Ollama plus Open Web UI?
kennywinker 1 days ago [-]
None of that runs on an ios or android device.
selfawareMammal 1 days ago [-]
> People called us crazy.
Absolutely no one called them crazy.
omdv 15 hours ago [-]
The content itself, the unexpectedly high rating and weird vibe in the comments smells like bot's manipulation. I hope mods take a look.
fouc 17 hours ago [-]
this is a weird HN thread, there's so many accounts spontaneously posting in here, both fairly new accounts and even aged accounts, with a mix of low karma and high-ish karma.. I spotted at least 5 suspicious accounts. There's 3 or 4 of them in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47517096 alone..
dgb23 1 days ago [-]
The (hn) title is misleading (unlike the actual title): It's an LLM _App_ not an LLM.
Have you tried WebLLM? Or this wrapper: CodexLocal.com
Basically, you would have a rather simple but capable LLM right in your browser using WebLLM and GPU
imadch 1 days ago [-]
What do you mean by IA in your device ? is it a local LLM ? if yeas how much params 4B or 8B...?? device requirements not mentionned too
kennywinker 1 days ago [-]
Looks like it checks your device specs and downloads whatever the best model that will work? On mine it’s using a 3.5b version of llama
gverrilla 18 hours ago [-]
We hate big tech, because we want to become one ourselves!
daikon899 1 days ago [-]
The "What's next" section is more interesting than what shipped. A general-purpose chat wrapper around a 1-4B model occupies a crowded space — PocketPal, Jan, LMStudio, GPT4All all do similar things. But the ideas they gesture at (a persistent "second brain" note, an LLM-backed launcher, long-term memory that grows with you) are actually differentiated
razvan_maftei 1 days ago [-]
Looks like something spun up by Claude Code without thorough testing or design behind it sadly.
vvilliamperez 1 days ago [-]
I just use open claw as a local memory management system. Not sure from TFA what's new here.
pulkitsh1234 1 days ago [-]
I am surprised to see this on HN front page, there is no new information here, just an ad.
socalgal2 1 days ago [-]
What's special about Ente?
How does it compare to Jan AI for example? or LM Studio? or ????
alterom 1 days ago [-]
It's available on Android and iOS, and specifically on Play Store and Apple Store (so no "developer mode" hoops to jump through to install).
todotask2 1 days ago [-]
Model is last trained on Dec 2023, that's consider outdated.
sbassi 1 days ago [-]
For local LLM there are Ollama and LM Studio. How is this different?
kennywinker 1 days ago [-]
This seems like a great question to ask an offline llm that runs on your mobile device. Does ollama and Lm studio run on your mobile device?
sneak 1 days ago [-]
Meanwhile, my Ente photos app crashes 20 times a day on iOS when using advanced functionality such as scrolling through my photos.
They also have a TOTP auth app?
If their photos app stopped crashing and they pursued basic feature parity between their iOS and desktop apps (IMO table stakes for a photo sync service) I'd have no issue recommending them. Instead, it seems like every so often they just branch off into a new direction, leaving the existing products unfinished. It's like Mozilla-level lack of focus.
vishnukvmd 14 hours ago [-]
Hi, could you please share logs from Settings > Support > Report bug?
We'd like to fix the crashes.
Sorry for the troubles.
tim-projects 1 days ago [-]
This app isn't very useful but it did get me thinking.
I have a phone in a drawer I could install termux and ollama on over tailscale and then I'd have an always on llm for super light tasks.
I do really long for a private chat bot but I simply don't have access to the hardware required. Sadly I think it's going to be years to get there..
nathan_compton 1 days ago [-]
Please god stop letting LLMs write your copy. My brain just slides right over this slop. Perhaps you have a useful product but christ almighty I cannot countenance this boring machine generated text.
BaudouinVH 1 days ago [-]
Installed it on a not-so-young laptop. It crashes immediately after launch. I blame the laptop.
If Ente is reading this : please add requirements to make it run (how many RAM, etc.)
tmanderson 1 days ago [-]
beware of data rackets
post-it 1 days ago [-]
> This is not the beginning, nor is this the end. This is just a checkpoint.
Come onnnnnn. I would rather read a one line "Check out our offline llm" rather than a whole press release of slop.
This looks very neat. I'm not familiar with the nitty gritty of AI so I really don't understand how it can reply so quickly running on an iPhone 16. But I'm not even going to bother searching for details because I don't want to read slop.
glitchc 1 days ago [-]
This sounds like an ad.
Fervicus 1 days ago [-]
I am not a bot and I am not associated with this company in any way. But I am a happy user of Ente Auth as well. This AI thing they made however just gives off "we have to do something with AI or we'll be left behind" vibes.
gwerbret 1 days ago [-]
As do most of the associated comments. I think we're surrounded by bots.
NewsaHackO 1 days ago [-]
Yea, everything about this post is just weird. IDK if they are even bots vs paid actors vs actual people who are clueless etc.
vaporwario 1 days ago [-]
agreed. i have never seen anyone (let alone an assortment) of hacker news users saying "i switched my 2fa to this after seeing how great it was!" Not really sure how one 'switches their 2fa' to an LLM...
mschulze 1 days ago [-]
This thread is about the 2FA app, not the LLM app. I don't care about the LLM app. What's this witch hunt? This app literally solved a (self-inflicted) problem I was having for some years now where I was keeping an old phone around just for MFA. I even thought about creating an iOS app that's compatible with Aegis files (actually I even _started_ working on that, but didn't get far) just to solve my problem. Now I don't have to, thanks to a comment here, and that's why I posted. Geez. I guess I'll stay with negative comments for the future, they seem to be more trustworthy.
mschulze 1 days ago [-]
I'm not a bot. Check my comment history and account age.
yomismoaqui 1 days ago [-]
You sure were when you posted those comments, but now, we cannot be sure...
So you look down you see a tortoise. It's crawling towards you.
mschulze 1 days ago [-]
I mean I get it, astroturfing is a real problem and an annoying one for communities. But I also have no idea how to prove to you that I am neither a bot nor shilling here.
yomismoaqui 11 hours ago [-]
Don't worry, I was just joking about the future that await us.
jimbokun 17 hours ago [-]
It’s not pretending to not be an ad.
testdelacc1 1 days ago [-]
For sure. Getting shady vibes from ente. I’ll be avoiding them.
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This looks amazing! As I learn and experiment more with local LLMs, I'm becoming more of a fan of local/offline LLMs. I believe there's a huge gap between local LLM based apps and commercial models like Claude/ChatGPT. Excited to see more apps leveraging local LLMs.
juliushuijnk 1 days ago [-]
I'm working on a rather simple idea; a Wordpress plugin that allows you to use a local LLM inside your wordpress CMS.
The essence works, I was able to let it make a simple summary on CMS content. So next is making it do something useful, and making it clear how other plugins could use it.
Spam for what? This is hackernews, I'm "hacking something" to push more control to users.
I'm talking about connecting Ollama to your wordpress.
Not via MCP or something that's complicated for a relatively normal user. But thanks for the link.
juliushuijnk 1 days ago [-]
It seems your link about the Wordpress variation validated my idea :).
If the new Wordpress feature would allow for connecting to Ollama, then there is no need anymore for my plugin. But I don't see that in the current documentation.
So for now, I see my solution being superior for anyone who doesn't have a paid subscription, but has a decent laptop, that would like to use an LLM 'for free' (apart from power usage) with 100% privacy on their website.
bilekas 1 days ago [-]
> use a local LLM inside your wordpress CMS
For when wordpress doesn't have enough exploits and bugs as it is. Also why bother with wordpress in the first place if you're already having an LLM spit out content for you ?
juliushuijnk 1 days ago [-]
What's your point? Don't use LLM for CMS content? That my code is buggy? Or that people shouldn't trust the LLM they run on their computer on their own website?
You can check the code for exploits yourself. And other than that it's just your LLM talking to your own website.
> Also why bother with wordpress in the first place
Weird question, but sure, I use WordPress, because I have a website that I want to run with a simple CMS that can also run my custom Wordpress plugins.
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Either LFM2.5-1.6B-4bit or Qwen3.5-2B-8bit or Qwen3.5-4B-4bit
Though, I don't see any references to Gemma at all in the open source code...
I would really like to know what people use these small and tiny models for. If any high-karma users are reading it, would you consider posting Ask HN?
very limited amount of use cases, perhaps. As a generalized chat assistant? I'm not sure you'd be able to get anything of value out from them, but happy to be proven otherwise. I have all of those locally already, without fine-tuning, what use case could I try right now where any of those are "very effective"?
You can use a small coding model to produce working code with a deterministic workflow (ex: state machine) if you carefully prune the context and filter down what it can do per iteration. Instead of letting it "reason" through an ever growing history, you give it distinct piecemeal steps with tailored context.
I think this can be generalized to:
Anything that can be built from small, well understood pieces and can be validated and fixed step by step. Then the challenge becomes designing these workflows and automating them.
(I'm not there yet, but one thing I have in mind might be a hybrid approach where the planning is produced by a more expensive model. The output it has to produce are data driven state machines or behavior trees (so they can be validated deterministically). Then it offloads the grunt work to a small, local model. When it's done, the work gets checked etc.)
Claude Code is a Desktop app as well.
For the user it's just important that the small grimlin that sits in the Ente app is not as smart as the grimlin that sits in the Claude app.
Helpful writeup here: https://pvieito.com/2026/01/inside-claude-cowork (I am not the author)
> Use Claude Code where you work
> Desktop Termianl IDE WEb and iOS Slack
Not that it is important any way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://www.liquid.ai/lfm-license
I installed it and it's none of that. It is a mere wrapper around small local LLM models. And, it's not even multi-modal! Anyone could've one-shotted this in Claude in an hour (I'm not exaggerating).
What's the target audience here? Your average person doesn't care about the privacy value proposition (at least not by severely sacrificing chat model's quality). And users who do want that control can already install LMStudio/Llama.cpp (which is dead simple to setup).
The actual release product should've been what's described in "What's next" section.
> Instead of general chat, we shape Ensu to have a more specialized interface, say like a single, never-ending note you keep writing on, while the LLM offers suggestions, critiques, reminders, context, alternatives, viewpoints, quotes. A second brain, if you will.
> A more utilitarian take, say like an Android Launcher, where the LLM is an implementation detail behind an existing interaction that people are already used to.
> Your agent, running on your phone. No setup, no management, no manual backups. An LLM that grows with you, remembers you, your choices, manages your tasks, and has long-term memory and personality.
I think they did. If you start the download and then open the sidebar and/or background the app, the download progress bar disappears and is replaced by the download button. If you press the download button again, the progress bar reappears at the correct point.
I find that Claude often makes little statefulness mistakes like that. Human developers do too, but the slower and more iterative nature of human development makes it more likely that that would get caught.
This probably could have been one-shotted with Sonnet, not even Opus. Given how over indexed they are on LLM coding, Haiku might even be able to do it.
This is actually an interesting coding model benchmark task now that I think about it.
If it's so great, why is there so little viscera documenting it's greatness? Just lots and lots of words.
Coding is definitely not over IMO. Not yet anyway
There is truly nothing original here and the product doesn't have a chance in hell of earning money. Local LLMs on-device will be dominated by the device vendors, whose control of the hardware stack combined with their ability to subsidize billions of dollars of machine learning research gives them an unfair advantage. Apple knows what the next generation of silicon will deliver, and their ML engineers are already hard at work building models that will be highly optimized for that silicon a year or two ahead of time. Open source models are really great and are backed by well funded labs; however, delivering these models on-device in a way that pleases users will never be easier than it is for the vendors of the devices.
Plus, device vendors have ways of making money from local LLMs that third-party app providers do not. They can make their local LLM free and earn money on the hardware play, without skipping a beat on the billions of dollars of ongoing R&D. I don't see how third party app vendors make money here when they will be competing with the decent, totally free alternative that Apple and Google (and Samsung etc.) will load on in the next year or two.
Same with Kagi. Thats where Kagi news was born.
I quite like the ethos, but this Ensu definitely seems underbaked.
But where are they! https://ente.com/about
Small team, rooting for them
But sure, making money with standalone "local first is our headline feature" will be incredibly hard against those, no doubt about that. In light of the limited quality of what local models can achieve, the privacy bonus just won't compel many to pay. But that only means that this "morning with Claude" you are suggesting might be just the right amount of investment for the result you'd realistically expect. But is that so bad? I'd argue the reverse: bundling up the low hanging fruit but not by some hobbyist who will lose interest two weeks on but by a company big enough the keep it going while small enough to not be a VC furnace that will inevitably turn on users once the runway runs out (*), that's an opportunity to fill a niche few others can. Valuable for users who don't want to roll their own deployment of open source models (can't, or unwilling to commit to keeping them up to date, assuming that Ente does keep that ball rolling), and also valuable for the company of the investment actually is so low that it pays by raising awareness for their other products that apparently do earn them money.
(*) I was googling around a little wondering if they actually are as close to bootstrapped as they seem on the surface, and yes, that's supposedly the core idea [0], but despite that they also took 100 kUSD in "non-diluting" (basically a gift then?) from Mozilla with the explicit goal "to promote independent AI and machine learning" [1]. So not a CEO whim but following up to a promise made earlier. If they actually did avoid spending all that money on a one-off but went smaller planning to keep it current for a longer time horizon, I'd congratulate them on an excellent choice.
[0] https://ente.com/blog/5-years-of-ente/
[1] https://ente.io/blog/mozilla-builders/
The hn discussion for [1] seems to be completely missing the point, that Mozilla program isn't about funding an image host (yeah, I'd also prefer if Mozilla focused on the Browser and perhaps Thunderbird, but the foundation is what it is): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41681666
We have not seen a tidal wave of untechnical people vibe coding up their own software solutions.
When my little brother who is a drummer, and has never even looked at "code" before, had claude on-shot a python app that let him download songs on youtube, extract the stems, collect tempo/key/etc information, then feed that into his DAW, all without ever looking at code, knowing what any of it did, etc., I knew that we were about to see a LOT of single-use applications.
I'm not against it, honestly. I have always written little one-off scripts and apps that accomplished something faster than manually, now that those one-shots are possible with an LLM in seconds sometimes, it makes all my personal scripts so much easier... that said, I definitely read the scripts that are output, and attempt to step through them in a debugger before assuming it is all good.
That to me is more valuable than code vibe coded by Claude in one afternoon.
I do agree that more local LLM options are always better.
And I don’t think they are trying to hide the strategy to have paid tiers, that’s what they did for their other product.
(Though I think this announcement is sufficiently unpleasant I'm starting to reconsider)
Ideally if you "participate" in the network, you would get "credits" to use it proportionally to how much GPU power you have provided to the network. Or if you can't, then buy credits (payment would be distributed as credits to other participants).
That way we could build huge LLMs that area really open and are not owned by any network.
I would LOVE to participate in building that as well.
This was posted the other day, but only briefly made the front page - seems kinda like what you’re talking about
Although the ability to use large models "for free" sounds pretty rad.
But the alternative is "not having Email", because Email can be used by the same bad actors.
Have a comparison chart to Ollama, LMStudio, LocalAI, Exo, Jan.AI, GPT4ALL, PocketPal, etc.
Going to give this a try...
Does this seem sound?
Here’s where it was added to PrivacyGuides - https://github.com/privacyguides/privacyguides.org/issues/36.... The person opening the issue is the CEO of ente. So the CEO of ente gets his company mentioned in PrivacyGuides back when it was new and that makes it more legit?
The discussion is not all that relevant as PrivacyGuides does not rely solely on community input. The core team pretty much generates content and lists recommendations based on (what they claim is) their own research (which isn't saying much).
https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/32774this seems self-contradictory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_OTP_applications
They just store tokens, without other FA at "worst" you get locked of your account but nobody else has access either. You're also supposed to, as good practice, not be limited to token generation and typically have a dozen or so of recovery tokens. Also if they were somewhat not working at doing the 1 task they should do, namely generate tokens, then you won't be able to use them so it won't even be added.
So... I might be missing something, can you please explain what worries you and why I should thus worry too?
Valid concerns. In the case of Ente Auth though, it is used by folks working at CERN [0], who also sponsored a recent security audit: https://ente.com/blog/cern-audit/
[0] https://cern.service-now.com/service-portal?id=kb_article&n=... / https://auth.docs.cern.ch/trouble-shooting/2fa-tips/
What I'm missing is a way to create and use Passkeys across devices. My use case does not support creating a new Passkey on every device, I need to sync them via servers I control. The system that supports that will be the system that I migrate to.
Expressly harvesting creds through a 2FA app seems a little more direct.
[1]: https://github.com/ente-io/ente/discussions/625
When the comments here say "there's no value because anyone could've compiled llama.cpp", you can see how detached from reality these people are.
Even jumping through the hoops to get an app on Play Store and Apple Store — an app that I can tell my friends to look up and download — is worth a lot.
An app that is also is available on Mac and PC, mind you.
I'm an ex-Google/Meta/Microsoft/Roblox software engineer, and I couldn't be bothered to do any of that.
Neither could the rest of HN. But I'm not the one complaining about lack of novelty or value in this proposition.
However, it’s a bit confusing because, for example, a larger LLM model was downloaded to my smartphone than to my computer. It would probably make the most sense if the app simply categorized devices into five different tiers and then, depending on which performance tier a device falls into, downloaded the appropriate model and simply informed the user of the performance tier. Over time, it would then be possible to periodically replace the LLM for each tier with better ones, or to redefine the device performance tiers based on hardware advancements.
A little bit of cleanup on their site to break out "Ente, our original photo sharing app" from the rest of their apps would do wonders, because I had to search around on the announcement to find the download for this app, which feels about like trying to find the popular Ente Auth app on their website
EDIT: and there are long-standing bugs like this one, unaddressed: https://github.com/ente-io/ente/issues/3087
Helping non-technical people get off of ChatGPT.com and using increasingly better local models seems worth celebrating and continued iteration.
It's part for the course, yet I'm still surprised.
My favorite so far is a commenter proudly touting their own run-LLM-locally app to prove that they "did it already".
An app which is desktop only.
I am at loss when it comes to arguing with people like that.
https://github.com/ente-io/ente/blob/f254af939ff6950b63edf5f... Here is the system prompt, kinda embarassing
This does the same for language models.
Can you post them here?
The people who got tired of waiting for "any half capable engineer" to do so.
>A desktop app for running Large Language Models locally
>desktop app
Make it an Android and iOS app, get it published in the respective stores, add cross-device sync, and then you'll have a comparable proposition.
That is, when I will be able to tell my friends to look up that Gerbil app and use that on their phone instead of ChatGPT when there's no service.
https://github.com/Arthur-Ficial/apfel
Apple Ai on the command line
> Ente is becoming like Proton: too many products and a lack of focus, leading to lower quality and not delivering what customers want
https://github.com/ente-io/ente/discussions/552#discussionco...
If you have any follow up questions, please do ask.
> I think it's important to offer a complete package
I agree. But doesn't that start with making one product (Ente Photos) good enough for people to actually be able to migrate? If Ente Photo really is your "home ground", as you say, shouldn't you prioritize accordingly? Specifically, in your response[0] to the GitHub issue I linked you say
> to pull it off with the finesse we would like, it will take us more than a quarter. […] I will mark this feature as unplanned until we have more engineering bandwidth.
But it seems you really do have the engineering bandwidth! You've just been prioritizing other products besides Ente Photos. I do understand that folder nesting in particular is a non-trivial change and if you look at the discussion on GitHub, I've actually been defending you rather heavily. But it's becoming increasingly difficult to do so – quite frankly, I am starting to doubt your product management is entirely on the right track if in 3 years you can't dedicate 3 months to the feature request with the highest number of votes by far. More generally, I am losing trust that any of your products will see enough polishing any time soon. (So I will definitely not put time into migrating anything else if I can't even migrate my photos yet.) And it seems I'm not the only one thinking that – your reputation among enthusiasts is starting to take a hit.
> There is no way Ente is going to let anyone else build a better photo app.
Words to live by! :-)
[0]: https://github.com/ente-io/ente/discussions/552#discussionco...
https://github.com/alichherawalla/off-grid-mobile-ai
I'd love to know a few more local LLM apps that are available on Android and iOS and Mac/PC under the same branding that I can point my non-technical friends to as a ChatGPT alternative that works offline (but still has sync across the devices).
Could you recommend a few?
I've found https://github.com/alichherawalla/off-grid-mobile-ai but haven't tried anything in this space yet.
hundreds of local llm apps exist
the what's next section acts novel but all of them have been achieved or created in some format already: you can run a local llm on a phone and connect it to a agent
Absolutely no one called them crazy.
Then moved to pocket pal now for local llm.
How does it compare to Jan AI for example? or LM Studio? or ????
They also have a TOTP auth app?
If their photos app stopped crashing and they pursued basic feature parity between their iOS and desktop apps (IMO table stakes for a photo sync service) I'd have no issue recommending them. Instead, it seems like every so often they just branch off into a new direction, leaving the existing products unfinished. It's like Mozilla-level lack of focus.
We'd like to fix the crashes.
Sorry for the troubles.
I have a phone in a drawer I could install termux and ollama on over tailscale and then I'd have an always on llm for super light tasks.
I do really long for a private chat bot but I simply don't have access to the hardware required. Sadly I think it's going to be years to get there..
If Ente is reading this : please add requirements to make it run (how many RAM, etc.)
Come onnnnnn. I would rather read a one line "Check out our offline llm" rather than a whole press release of slop.
This looks very neat. I'm not familiar with the nitty gritty of AI so I really don't understand how it can reply so quickly running on an iPhone 16. But I'm not even going to bother searching for details because I don't want to read slop.
So you look down you see a tortoise. It's crawling towards you.
It requires a Firefox add-on to act as a bridge: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ai-s-that-hel...
There is honestly not much to test just yet, but feel free to check it out here, provide feedback on the idea: https://codeberg.org/Helpalot/ais-that-helpalot
The essence works, I was able to let it make a simple summary on CMS content. So next is making it do something useful, and making it clear how other plugins could use it.
Also: "Your AI agent can now create, edit, and manage content on WordPress.com" https://wordpress.com/blog/2026/03/20/ai-agent-manage-conten...
I'm talking about connecting Ollama to your wordpress.
Not via MCP or something that's complicated for a relatively normal user. But thanks for the link.
If the new Wordpress feature would allow for connecting to Ollama, then there is no need anymore for my plugin. But I don't see that in the current documentation.
So for now, I see my solution being superior for anyone who doesn't have a paid subscription, but has a decent laptop, that would like to use an LLM 'for free' (apart from power usage) with 100% privacy on their website.
For when wordpress doesn't have enough exploits and bugs as it is. Also why bother with wordpress in the first place if you're already having an LLM spit out content for you ?
You can check the code for exploits yourself. And other than that it's just your LLM talking to your own website.
> Also why bother with wordpress in the first place
Weird question, but sure, I use WordPress, because I have a website that I want to run with a simple CMS that can also run my custom Wordpress plugins.