Who are their highly funded closed-source competitors they claim Warp cannot beat on price?

Warp is the only closed source terminal product I know of. Most other popular terminal emulators are open source already.

I feel like their funding is drying up and this is their last ditch effort to have the "community" build their product for them.

They claim agents will run the show, with inputs from community in the form of ideas/specs/direction. I wonder how long that will be sustainable for given the subsidized model prices are collapsing as we speak.

Is this an attempt to pivot to something else while the "community" keeps their first product alive? Maybe I'm being too cynical here, but I don't see this as an act of good faith, especially given their roots in VC funding.

  > writing code is now fast, it's getting cheaper, and quality is going up to the right

> Appreciate the candid take. Warp is great.

Sorry but I can't read this statement in a tone is not absolutely dry sarcasm.

Warp is a masterclass in how to have a great product statement, very nice UI and completely ruin it with greed, closed-source, and by not listening to your customers.

I don't know who at Warp got replaced and wants to "fix" things, but they have a lot to overcome. At this point, it might not even matter-- another product written from scratch might have better success.

The AI features are not fully open, and there are some forking attempts to fix that. https://github.com/warpdotdev/warp/issues/9303

I was confused by the name. For a second I got excited that OS/2 Warp was being open sourced. That os was ahead of its time. And I don't just say that because my dad was called "Mr. OS/2" because he was very good at selling it to clients of IBM

Hey, it's Sathvik from the Warp team. So sorry to hear this! Do you mind reaching out to appeals@warp.dev? We'll help you get this sorted out.

> Does it call home?

Absolutely, in heaps. The very moment you start Warp, it sends 5 HTTP requests, (1 version check, 1 LLM model list, 3 telemetry events). The former two go to app.warp.dev, the latter 3 go to warpianwzlfqdq.dataplane.rudderstack.com and include a persistent UUID, your operating system and version, Warp version, and the tracked event name and its properties.

All of this happens before you even see the window. After you're done clicking 'No' to all the SaaS nags, you can turn off telemetry in the settings, but for some reason it gets turned back on when you restart the terminal.

While the terminal is running, it calls home whenever you trip one of the events listed in this 7000-line long file: https://github.com/warpdotdev/warp/blob/d0f045c01bacbd845a63.... Besides all the hosts listed earlier, it also makes requests to o540343.ingest.sentry.io.

All in all, a privacy nightmare.

For transparency, the issue with telemetry turning back on after an app restart was a very bad bug introduced yesterday that only affected new users; this is P0 for us to fix and we’ll have a new release out in the next few hours with a fix. The PR is here https://github.com/warpdotdev/warp/pull/9438/ if you want to follow along.

To add more color to some of your points in the post above:

* We give users the option to disable telemetry before sending any back to our servers.

* We use Sentry for crash reporting, this can be disabled.

* Yes, we record telemetry with the option to disable. The events are in our source code (as you point out) and also on our website.

* We have a network log in app that you can open and view _any_ request we make, including requests to send telemetry.

* If you compile the OSS build it has no telemetry or crash reporting.

Our motivation with open sourcing is to build more trust with our community, not less. Happy to discuss more and, of course, the codebase is available to audit.

It's good feedback. We've tried to make it so there is a single "turn off all the AI stuff" button (and you can opt into plain old terminal during onboarding as well, with no login, etc). Curious if this does the trick?

I originally got into Warp because they made a terminal where my normal text input keyboard shortcuts work.

As they've been scrambling to find a way to monetize and riding the AI train, it feels more bloated than ever and the constant pushing for me to use "agents" and whatnot really put my off using it. Plus with all the privacy concerns I can't with good conscience use it on my work machine.

So yes, I'd like a non-tracking, no-AI version of Warp too.

100,000% I loved it when it was JUST good at terminal rendering. Ghostty alternative. Not a crazy bloatware AI play.

This is a pretty good used case for vibecoding. “Claude, take this project and rip out all the obnoxious monetization and vendor lock in.” It just might do the trick. I’ve been to get rid of a fair bit of paid software by just cloning the parts I want with little more than a high-level description.

I don’t think the approach of open source as a substitute for a quality program is going to last.

You could probably few-shot this yourself by pointing at the repo. I'm 95% sure it can be done in a day end-to-end.

can you share more about what makes it so great. this is the first i am hearing about it , so i am curious.

i currently use tmux and ghostty for my workflow

As someone who released the source of an app that was always expected to be public I appreciate that it would be interesting but I'm not surprised. If the code isn't being regularly published there is just less incentive to be sure that every commit is "public ready". So when releasing I wanted to do a full review of current code (and especially comments and docs). This was tedious enough and even though we didn't find anything major and only a handful of things that should be cleaned I absolutely wouldn't want to do this for the full history.

Could we have just released it? Absolutely. But I think everyone who contributed felt better knowing that what was released had one final "ready for public" review. Then our regular review process handled that going forward.

Their terminal is just Alacritty, why would you do all these extra steps instead of just using Alacritty, or Ghostty? The terminal emulator was never their selling point, the AI wrapper was.

https://x.com/mitchellh/status/2049159764261925005

Warp founder here. We actually are chatting with Mitchell about integrating Ghostty so it's the terminal grid renderer within Warp.

Warp failed to launch. Perhaps too much AI pushed onto the users in the early days that failed to show its charm.

Ghostty remains incredible stable and usable and fast compared to competition.

libghostty makes it pretty easy to do. I spent about two weeks setting something up until it was advanced enough to daily drive. I wanted to have a modal workflow similar to vim or tmux copy mode, but without having the overhead of using tmux... that's probably a lot more complicated than "I want Ghostty but with $X tweak". You can poke around in the repo to get a feel for what's involved if you want: https://github.com/milch/mistty

check out yaw terminal for a terminal first experience that also treats ai cli as a first class citizen. and if you're on windows is very dialed into git bash.

Keep working on it. Warp has to overcome much of it's historical bad decisions. They announce becoming open-source, but they don't have trust yet.

>Oh, not OS/2 Warp.

That would be awesome!

I thought it was Cloudflare’s DNS caching service at first.

Which when I last used it they forced you to do. I'm assuming this has changed in the several years since?

I used it because of the integrated voice to text (since apple's built in dictation is terrible) but stopped using it when i replaced it with superwhisper

It's not like this is where they started: Warp dates back to 2020 and probably had an initial strategy of "just build a really nice, fast terminal emulator and figure out the money later", which honestly isn't the worst idea in the world.

The AI integration only came years later, and they probably figured maybe they could compete in the space with Cursor, repl.it, etc. And then Claude Code came and just devoured everything, while Google bought Windsurf, Microsoft pushes Copilot, and OpenAI has Codex (while at the same time kitty and ghostty also built really nice, fast terminal emulators)

I agree I don't think they have any real shot and I certainly wouldn't recommend investing in their next round, but it's not like this was their plan all along, they went where the winds were blowing.

This is on our public roadmap actually. Would love to work with the community on this.

They got rid of the login requirement a long time ago: https://www.warp.dev/blog/lifting-login-requirement

^X^E in bash takes your current prompt and moves it to your $EDITOR.

for zsh:

  autoload edit-command-line
  zle -N edit-command-line
  bindkey '^X^E' edit-command-line

Have you tried `C-x e`

Just ask your agent to fork and remove it!

Well, "warp" is a generic word, the projects are unrelated, OS/2 was never that popular, and it was last released 30 years ago.

I personally feel like there's no need for acknowledgement at this point, but that's just me.

To be fair it's been quite a while now since OS/2 was relevant. It never even occurred to me that it might be connected to that mainstream news story.

It's ok to recycle names once every thirty years :) Warp hasn't had a release in decades.