If you need an idea for what do do with ducklake: recommend throwing all of your agent traces in it.
eddietejeda 1 days ago [-]
Thanks for the shoutout.
For context, we previously built custom catalogs optimized for specific use cases. But they were hard to maintain, especially as requirements changed, and Apache Iceberg was too heavy for our specific low-latency work.
Since Ducklake is only a spec, we implemented datafusion-ducklake, and it performs as well as any custom or specialized catalog we built. We use Postgres as the catalog store, and it does not get much simpler than that: a transactional database for transactional data.
Plus, it gives us a clear spec for implementing complex parts like time travel, snapshots, etc.
It's been a godsend.
We welcome and encourage contributors!
prpl 22 hours ago [-]
What latencies were you targeting?
eddietejeda 20 hours ago [-]
Extremely high concurrency at sub-second response times.
I always thought the catalogue was a duckdb file. E.g, data lives in partitioned parquet files, but which parquet files are current or soft deleted, etc, etc, is managed in a duckdb data file.
However, looking at https://ducklake.select/, it seems the catalogue lives in PostgresSQL - so it is not really a ducklake, but a postgresslake.
The more you know.
pdet 7 hours ago [-]
The fundamental requirements of DBMS so it can be a DuckLake catalog are the following:
1. It must support primary keys
2. It must support basic data types (INTEGER,VARCHAR,TIMESTAMP)
3. ACID
There are ofc some quirks from the SQL supported on each DBMS. Hence, the DuckLake extension from DuckDB currently supports DuckDB, SQLite, Postgres, DuckDB + Quack and MySQL. With MySQL being in a rather experimental state.
Disclaimer: I'm the lead developer in DuckLake.
paragraft 18 hours ago [-]
That's a tabbed interface on the site that just defaults to postgres. SQLite and duckdb are supported too.
celias 2 days ago [-]
Motherduck is offering a free copy of O'reilly's "DuckLake: The Definitive Guide" book on their DuckLake web page
i don't see how, enter my email and received a welcome email instead of a book.
leetrout 5 hours ago [-]
It says receive the link in two minutes but it's been over 4 hours and nothing over here. Just tried again.
bradleyankrom 5 hours ago [-]
I did this last night and have not received an email or a book. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
NetOpWibby 23 hours ago [-]
Sweet, thanks!
suchire 2 days ago [-]
But "Duckpond" was right there!
jeremyjh 22 hours ago [-]
Maybe in another life.
tomwphillips 16 hours ago [-]
I think this is an elegant design that's superior to the competition, but I think lakehouses are not as generally useful as vendors would like us to believe. The access controls are limited to what's possible on the underlying bucket.
For example I think a lakehouse is a bad choice for standard enterprise BI type analytics - you've got no column or row access controls, and no column masking. I don't see how this could ever be bolted on to the bucket and catalog.
I think you can model this as locked down buckets, wider engine access (spark/presto/etc), and apply the controls at the engine level. (it's not inherently different from making sure your DB files are locked down, if you squint at it). This does obviously block any non-engine access which has downsides. I agree that it is generally much less mature with lakehouses than eneterprise DBs.
tomwphillips 8 hours ago [-]
You could, but the whole idea of lakehouse is that you can use whatever engine suits your needs. Now you've got to make sure that every engine enforces your access control policies properly. It just seems like a lot of work.
engineeringwoke 1 days ago [-]
It's alright, it's pretty alpha software. On v1.5.4, catalog filtered counts are broken, afaik. I went to main/v2 to fix it, and then the SQL parser in duckdb v2 is 10x slower, which was another wrench in the gears. It's been a bit of a pain tbh
jauco 1 days ago [-]
Yep, they made the spec 1.0 but it isn’t 1.0 software. Browse the bugs before use.
When it works well it’s really nice. And it beats handrolling a multi level parquet store.
engineeringwoke 1 days ago [-]
Absolutely. I love it, but you need a fork for now.
Is this basically a table format like Delta/Iceberg but with an SQL engine built in via DuckDB?
Lucasoato 1 days ago [-]
Nope, from my understanding the delta log (the files that say which of your data files are actually valid or not) isn’t saved in json/parquet but directly in a database.
Much faster, but adds a dependency... that you would have added anyway with database based catalogs (that are not the only kind of catalogs)
snapetom 15 hours ago [-]
Ah, I see. Thanks. Having the metadata in a DB sounds a lot more robust.
efromvt 9 hours ago [-]
I unironically love that we've come back around to the hive metastore (there are pros to the decentralized and centralized catalog, it's good to have options)
vira28 18 hours ago [-]
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loufe 1 days ago [-]
Why program greenfield in C++? I know "made with rust" is a meme but seriously, why not a memory safe language in 2026?
pdet 7 hours ago [-]
The main reason was due to a much easier tight-integration with the DuckDB internals, so we can take the most of the DuckDB engine (and existing code) to use. As the extension must interact with table scanners, casting functions and whatnot.
However, DuckLake doesn't need to be implemented in C++ at all, I believe that whatever fits the engine that will be performing the reads/writes in Parquet and the connectors for the DBMSs should be a good fit.
DuckDB has been around since 2018. Naturally its offspring use C++.
OutOfHere 1 days ago [-]
Rust has been out since 2010. It already was rated "most-loved" by 2016. Systems programmers had adopted it by 2018.
Tanjreeve 6 hours ago [-]
There is nothing stopping creation of rust implementations of tools or things that support these specs and protocols. But in DBMS world the centre of gravity is C/C++ mostly with some exceptions.
meredithbloom 19 hours ago [-]
And the compiler was horrendously slow for big projects on x86_84 until 2023.
1 days ago [-]
Rendered at 22:45:44 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
There's a cool alternate rust/datafusion ecosystem initiative going on at https://github.com/datafusion-contrib/datafusion-ducklake, and think the Quack protocol opens up a lot of cool possibilities too.
If you need an idea for what do do with ducklake: recommend throwing all of your agent traces in it.
For context, we previously built custom catalogs optimized for specific use cases. But they were hard to maintain, especially as requirements changed, and Apache Iceberg was too heavy for our specific low-latency work.
Since Ducklake is only a spec, we implemented datafusion-ducklake, and it performs as well as any custom or specialized catalog we built. We use Postgres as the catalog store, and it does not get much simpler than that: a transactional database for transactional data.
Plus, it gives us a clear spec for implementing complex parts like time travel, snapshots, etc.
It's been a godsend.
We welcome and encourage contributors!
Here is our write up on the Ducklake blog: https://ducklake.select/2026/07/29/bringing-ducklake-to-data...
I always thought the catalogue was a duckdb file. E.g, data lives in partitioned parquet files, but which parquet files are current or soft deleted, etc, etc, is managed in a duckdb data file.
However, looking at https://ducklake.select/, it seems the catalogue lives in PostgresSQL - so it is not really a ducklake, but a postgresslake.
The more you know.
There are ofc some quirks from the SQL supported on each DBMS. Hence, the DuckLake extension from DuckDB currently supports DuckDB, SQLite, Postgres, DuckDB + Quack and MySQL. With MySQL being in a rather experimental state.
Disclaimer: I'm the lead developer in DuckLake.
https://motherduck.com/product/ducklake/
For example I think a lakehouse is a bad choice for standard enterprise BI type analytics - you've got no column or row access controls, and no column masking. I don't see how this could ever be bolted on to the bucket and catalog.
https://www.tomwphillips.co.uk/2026/08/the-benefits-of-data-...
When it works well it’s really nice. And it beats handrolling a multi level parquet store.
https://duckdb.org/2025/05/19/the-lost-decade-of-small-data....
Much faster, but adds a dependency... that you would have added anyway with database based catalogs (that are not the only kind of catalogs)
However, DuckLake doesn't need to be implemented in C++ at all, I believe that whatever fits the engine that will be performing the reads/writes in Parquet and the connectors for the DBMSs should be a good fit.
For example https://github.com/borchero/ducklake-sdk - Rust https://github.com/datafusion-contrib/datafusion-ducklake - Rust https://github.com/motherduckdb/ducklake-spark - Scala https://github.com/brikk/trino-ducklake - Kotlin
Disclaimer: I'm the lead developer of DuckLake.