Fascinating that the only communications with Tyler Schultz, which was the main insider confronting the fraud, had all of ~4 exchanges with her. All in the same day.
Truly brave of him to go against the golden geese, despite turning his own family- and even former attorney generals & military officers- against him.
Its all on 4/11/2014.
Also interesting to see how Sunny & Holmes always thought it was Tyler, or the CLIA Lab Director (Adam) plotting against them.... when their scam was just in plain sight of regulators that bothered to actually do the work.
Holmes/Sunny reaction to Tyler's email and to Adam's resignation (Nov 2014) is one of outrage. Using the power inbalance to make their point, is 101 fraud.
plaidfuji 3 hours ago [-]
Wow I had never heard of this whistleblower guy Tyler, this email is honestly amazing.
> In my meetings with Daniel I found that the discrepancies between our CVs were due to Daniel calculating CV based on the median value of each precision run, while I was calculating CV of the entire data set for each level. When I asked him why we do this, he said that it was a way to average out the noise. I was under the impression that the coefficient of variation was meant to be, at least in part, a measure of how much noise exists in the data. By averaging out this noise before CV is calculated, the CV as a metric of assay performance becomes less meaningful.
“Becomes less meaningful”… this is the most polite way I can imagine telling your CEO, “hey, our results are all BS”. His message is so thorough and measured, and they just tear into him. He’s the only professional in the room.
bambax 11 hours ago [-]
I read the book (Bad Blood) and watched the mini-series (The Dropout) -- both absolutely great! and yet I still don't completely understand how Sunny & Holmes were able to fool experts inside their own company for so long.
Fooling the public is easy. But how do you fool the people working on the machines and trying to get actual results out of them? Sure, dividing the work into micro-tasks help, and creating an atmosphere of suspicion/excitement/respect for authority, etc. But still?!?
beAbU 5 hours ago [-]
It is exceedingly difficult to convince someone of a lie, if their livelihood depends on believing that lie.
N_Lens 10 hours ago [-]
A case study in human psychology for sure.
red-iron-pine 10 hours ago [-]
$$$ and NDAs work
firstplacelast 4 hours ago [-]
I can't speak to Theranos, but having worked in scientific R&D the researchers are used to business folk telling them work is good enough/sellable even when they think it needs more study, are worried about edge cases, etc. And it can be true and not fraudulent. A lot of scientists are always looking for 'better', a more complete model, an answer closer to 'truth'; business is looking for what can I sell, what is slightly better (or differentiated enough) than current market offerings.
I think that can create enough plausibility in researchers' minds (along with keeping work divided and some psychological manipulation). They're thinking this looks kind of terrible and doesn't work for A, B, or C situations, but the business folks tell me this is exactly what they need and works on the market. Add in good pay (Theranos paid well above market for biotech for quite a while) and people won't think too hard about it.
mplewis 17 hours ago [-]
Sunny's response to Tyler's email, the one full of sincere concern for the well-being of the company:
Tyler.
We saw your email to Elizabeth.
Before I get into specifics, let me share with you that had this email come from anyone else in the company, I would have already held them accountable for the arrogant and patronizing tone and reckless comments. In your case, I am giving you the benefit of doubt that your intentions are in the right place, and am taking the time to respond, even though your tone in this email all the way through the last paragraph is not that of someone seeking to understand, but rather someone standing at higher perch of morality and business wisdom. Perhaps this too was not your intent but this clearly comes across as your mind set.
See my comments in red below.
gabaix 12 hours ago [-]
> someone standing at higher perch of morality and business wisdom
This is a good reminder that arguments on morality and wisdom are used and abused.
zaphar 10 hours ago [-]
And also a good reminder that if someone is coming off to you as "at a higher perch of morality and business wisdom" maybe you should listen to them.
close04 9 hours ago [-]
Sunny's interpretation of the tone is another way of saying "you come here acting all superior". This is very different from accepting someone is superior, so it has the opposite effect of wanting to listen.
If someone is coming off to you as "all superior" you would only listen if you genuinely agree they are, and it's not an act. Otherwise you'll just see a person trying to make you feel inferior. Nobody listens unless they are truly convinced of that superiority, or else it's just an insult. Sunny of course chose to see this as an insult. But the opposite, taking the superiority at face value and just listening to anyone who sounds superior is no better. There are many more signals to take into consideration before deciding whether someone's opinion is worth listening to or taking into consideration.
zaphar 7 hours ago [-]
If someone is coming off as superior to you then you should probably figure out why. Because sometimes the reason is because they have too high an opinion of themselves. And sometimes it's because you are in defense mode and they are right.
AlexandrB 10 hours ago [-]
I don't think that follows. A lot of folks like to position themselves as "holier-than-thou".
shadowgovt 9 hours ago [-]
The key idea, perhaps, is that in questions of fact, tone is noise.
... and that doesn't mean one gets to discard the message because its tone is noisy. Especially when the message is warning of jail-time-worthy consequences for one's actions.
If someone says "Hey asshole, stop standing on those tracks, that's how idiots get dead..." Their tone makes it hard to accept their message but one is still standing on the tracks.
foobarian 4 hours ago [-]
Wow. Do execs really talk/communicate like this in normal companies???
plaidfuji 3 hours ago [-]
Absolutely not. If an exec talks to you like this you should leave immediately.
jurgenaut23 2 hours ago [-]
well, in a large company, you cannot leave for every asshole that thinks he is better than you, or you never work anymore.
davidguetta 8 hours ago [-]
the level of political correctness he uses to write his email should be forbidden in any tech / medical company lol
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regus 1 days ago [-]
This is great, it reminds me of promotional websites from the Adobe Flash era. Ads were a lot more fun back then.
RobRivera 1 days ago [-]
They replaced the old space jam website with a boring href to a yt of the trailer :(
Macromedia Flash 1.0 was released the same year as the Space Jam website, I don't think it used .SWFs. In fact I don't remember .SWFs being common until 2002-2003 (but that's my biased viewpoint, since that's when I discovered Newgrounds.)
bolau 1 days ago [-]
make ads fun again
topaz0 20 hours ago [-]
Make ads go away
bookofjoe 1 days ago [-]
MAFA
rdiddly 1 days ago [-]
Make Ads Fun & Interesting Again - MAFIA
bookofjoe 11 hours ago [-]
Better
jorisw 16 hours ago [-]
From Elizabeth's Sent mailbox, 10/26/2015:
> Theranos is a revolutionary business, founded and led by a remarkable engineer and businesswoman - joined by a team of professionals who have, at their core, embraced her mission to serve humanity through innovation in health care.
drekipus 16 hours ago [-]
4 lines and only the last 2 words tell us what they do
vintermann 14 hours ago [-]
What they pretended to do more like it.
kokanee 1 days ago [-]
Whoa. With a lidar scan of my house, a drone-captured point cloud of my neighborhood, and a backup of my icloud, I could create an immersive 3D snapshot of my life. And then what if other people did the same and we networked them together, so that we can actually interact in the snapshot. It'd be like second life except actually cloned from real lives. weird
chihuahua 1 days ago [-]
You could pitch the idea to Zuck, see if he wants to burn $100b to try it out.
LASR 23 hours ago [-]
No please. Not again.
zbycz 15 hours ago [-]
It seems we will be having gaussian-splatted 3D world soon.
Why not, it's big tech money, at least share it with the poor.
lumost 1 days ago [-]
I had a thought the other day that you could probably divide up the world into cubic miles and with a few thousand codex subscriptions make a high fidelity blender model of the entire world based on google maps, street view, and tagged location photos.
What would you do with a whole model of the world? I don't know, but it would be fun to walk a national park while I'm on the treadmill or basejump off of a realistic el capitan.
finghin 14 hours ago [-]
…In that Empire, the Art of Cartography attained such Perfection that the map of a single Province occupied the entirety of a City, and the map of the Empire, the entirety of a Province. In time, those Unconscionable Maps no longer satisfied, and the Cartographers Guilds struck a Map of the Empire whose size was that of the Empire, and which coincided point for point with it. The following Generations, who were not so fond of the Study of Cartography as their Forebears had been, saw that that vast Map was Useless, and not without some Pitilessness was it, that they delivered it up to the Inclemencies of Sun and Winters. In the Deserts of the West, still today, there are Tattered Ruins of that Map, inhabited by Animals and Beggars; in all the Land there is no other Relic of the Disciplines of Geography.
(Borges)
cavemandaveman 1 days ago [-]
Microsoft has done that to some extent with Flight Simulator using older machine learning techniques. Wouldn't call most of the world high fidelity yet but I'm sure they could get there with generative AI models. I'm also sure the anti-AI screeching in the gaming community would be heard for miles.
Would also make a great Zwift competitor (cycling app where you can hook up your stationary bike and race or ride on certain routes).
ninju 23 hours ago [-]
Microsoft Flight Simulator’s world map covers the entire Earth at approximately 1:1 scale: about 510 million square kilometres of surface, including roughly 149 million km² of land
I think they cheat somewhat with the ocean when far from labdy
colejohnson66 7 hours ago [-]
It's impossible not to; We don't even have high resolution depth maps of the entire ocean.
vintermann 14 hours ago [-]
In that case generative AI could be defended as a privacy preserving measure, I guess.
queenkjuul 20 hours ago [-]
I love doing flybys of my house in MSFS
RobotToaster 11 hours ago [-]
Pretty sure I've seen experiments to do this using a combination of AI and traditional photogrammetry.
ethersteeds 1 days ago [-]
Bro just go outside
freecodeio 1 days ago [-]
no sorry have to keep in touch with agents
icantevenhold 1 days ago [-]
Who else is gonna type “just implement it” or press enter repeatedly
foobarian 4 hours ago [-]
At the very least I would love a driving simulation based on that data. That way I can practice driving in weird neighborhoods without the stress
Andrex 7 hours ago [-]
This is the core concept behind the Black Mirror episode "Be Right Back" (201).
Like most early-season episodes, it's incredibly depressing but absolutely worth watching. And honestly, I wouldn't mind if AI researchers were forced to watch it (along with The Animatrix).
mrheosuper 21 hours ago [-]
That is exactly the idea of some minecraft projects: Mapping the entire world into minecraft.
WD-42 1 days ago [-]
And then you realize how boring it is.
TrackerFF 1 days ago [-]
If only google could use their AI to generate a wiremesh model out of their google maps streetview data, and make it public. And then another model to generate texture.
It's so strange to see this here. I remember when this site was nothing but foaming-at-the-mouth fawning adoration of Elizabeth Holmes long after her scams were exposed.
andybak 1 days ago [-]
My first memory of her being mentioned on this site was the dawning skepticism followed by the big expose. But it's possible I missed the fawning because it didn't sound as interesting
moomin 10 hours ago [-]
I recall there were plenty of people on here going into bat for Theranos way after others were calling it fraud.
The thing is, she expertly rode a belief system that was already prevalent: that SV was going to change the world and that SV and what was happening there was different. Plenty of WeWork fans as well. Plenty of fans of firms that actually did something as well, but most of those "did something"s were a website.
Zigurd 6 hours ago [-]
10 years ago I would defend FSD against the naysayers who said it would never work. We are currently at the stage of figuring out what approximates never.
moomin 3 hours ago [-]
I’d forgotten there was a time when “Tesla fan” didn’t feel like a political statement.
Marazan 8 hours ago [-]
WeWork fans were incredible.
car 1 days ago [-]
I posted about Theranos 2013. Not entirely sure, but I think it was when they launched publicly.
Crazy how my gut feeling was more than vindicated.
A lot of the comments on that thread are about how the board is full of military/CIA it smells like a cover company. It had Henry Kissinger on it of all people.
Did we ever find out what all those people were doing at Theranos? I really haven’t kept up to date.
vintermann 14 hours ago [-]
I have a theory! They saw all the other security state people involved, and figured this was something it would be a good career move to support without knowing exactly why.
"Don't obey in advance", Tim Snyder said. But obeying in advance is called showing initiative and is a great career move. In secretive industries it can be hard to know what to obey in advance, but they don't let that stop them!
nephihaha 15 hours ago [-]
One of the unspoken secrets of research is that a lot of people are doing it to keep themselves in a job. It is perfectly possible to do research for years which goes nowhere, just goes over old ground etc. As long as the money rolls in, someone's making a living and not necessarily dishonestly if they're at the lower levels.
indymike 11 hours ago [-]
I think there was a lot of resentment here because of how easily it appeared she was raising money and how quickly the company grew at first without having a working product and a murmur from experts that their miniaturization play may not be able to work at all.
james_marks 9 hours ago [-]
I remember before the expose a friend that did blood draws for a living was just like, “huh? It’s impossible to do the tests without a larger sample, it’s just not how it works”.
aaron695 1 days ago [-]
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potamic 17 hours ago [-]
This is an ad for her upcoming, self-starred documentary. So nothing much has changed?
baggachipz 1 days ago [-]
In the "Notes" app on the iphone, there is a note which says "msg me on X". Back then, it was Twitter. Boy, I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Sheeny96 1 days ago [-]
What are we to believe this is some sort of, snort heh* magic iPhone or something?
ibejoeb 1 days ago [-]
She was truly ahead of her time.
xbryanx 22 hours ago [-]
“X” was actually a pre-Twitter BBS focused on transgenics and corpuscular macronutrients, based in Fort Worth. Any true believers would know that.
pazimzadeh 1 days ago [-]
I'd love to agree with you but that look like the site designer asking for feedback on his site
yawnxyz 1 days ago [-]
its still called twitter
(for some of us)
icantevenhold 1 days ago [-]
I will never call it X and die violently on this hill
abrowne 22 hours ago [-]
I've accepted X and call the posts "crements"
r_lee 16 hours ago [-]
it's just kinda awkward, but worse than just "X" is the fact that now you're supposed to call tweets "posts on X" or "X posts"
like come on... it was so good before
bricss 1 days ago [-]
How about Xitter? :)
nikcub 23 hours ago [-]
pronounced "shitter"?
ok_dad 24 hours ago [-]
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brendoelfrendo 23 hours ago [-]
Maybe there is such a thing as a good walled garden after all...
baggachipz 10 hours ago [-]
Rest assured that I still refuse to call it X, it's so stupid. But I couldn't pass up the opportunity in this instance. :)
drybjed 15 hours ago [-]
If Elon Musk can deadname, we can too.
bolau 1 days ago [-]
good catch, i may need to find a new job soon
ozgung 14 hours ago [-]
> I hope somebody got fired for that blunder
Their name is probably Claude.
RobRivera 1 days ago [-]
[Scoff, Scoff]
proxyscore 3 hours ago [-]
Cool, schultz made the docu, but I've seen this thread before any doubts were raised by anyone, it's a hilarious read by people who understand the topic and they called bs before any exposure.
Just keep it simple, quoting verbatim
The board of directors looks more like a team to negotiate peace with Iran rather than an actual biotech board
Why do I have Nathan Fielder's look in my face (same when he was staring at as EH on the pilot), as I'm going through all the features on this site?
fakedang 1 days ago [-]
Hope you're lounging on somebody else's bed too, while you're doing that. :D
flockonus 1 days ago [-]
It is a bit hilarious that most of the "apps" open faster in a fake desktop simulated inside the browser than it actually does natively on my Macbook Pro
*yes i know, not apples to apples.
general_reveal 13 hours ago [-]
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dijit 1 days ago [-]
All I feel is that UI of MacOS and iOS is so inferior now than it was then... :\
ivanjermakov 1 days ago [-]
If only apps were opening in an instant, odd feeling of having it on random website but not have it natively.
Cthulhu_ 10 hours ago [-]
Unfortunately the OS itself won't be the be-all / end-all, crossplatform (web) apps and a lack of care for optimization are the other major issue. I just timed how long it takes to open the 'calendar' tab in Teams - 8.5 seconds. MacOS' own calendar app takes <2 seconds (unrepresentative test due to factors) and does not show a screen with a spinner.
Mizza 1 days ago [-]
Same, but for that generation of MacBook Air. Insane quality and value for the price. And you didn't have to wait 6 weeks to get them!
Although I bet Lizzie used a Pro..
Keyframe 1 days ago [-]
only because it was. We peaked with skeuomorphism at the turn of millenium.
binarymax 1 days ago [-]
Burying the api key in notes on the laptop is a nice touch.
IncRnd 1 days ago [-]
I need to delete that key again. I keep recreating it with the same value, but nothing seems to work. I want to use this key with the value but in a way that nobody else knows the value. Sigh. Security is difficult.
neya 18 hours ago [-]
For those who are curious, Elizabeth Holmes was originally charged to serve for 11 years and 3 months. However, now her projected release date is just right around the corner - 2030. That's just 6 years and 9 months. A little more than half of her original serving period.
HWR_14 3 hours ago [-]
They are moving her to a halfway house next year. So about 4 years in prison.
gabaix 18 hours ago [-]
What explains the time reduction?
tancop 17 hours ago [-]
A lot of prisoners get released after about half their sentence when they become eligible for parole, so 12 years is really 6 (and life is really 20) in a lot of cases. Fraud is a white collar crime and basically everyone gets out on parole first or second try.
The only ones who don't are murderers, gang members, drug dealers or whistleblowers. The American legal system judges crimes on how far from "normal behavior" they are, not how much harm they cause.
eddythompson80 17 hours ago [-]
I don’t know about this particular case, but sentences are usually reduced to 3/4 or 2/3 depending on a bunch of factors referred to as good behavior. Unless a judge or a law explicitly disallows that depending on the crime or the sentencing. The amount varies by state or court type and judges usually account for that when deciding on the sentencing
raegis 17 hours ago [-]
Federal criminal convicts usually serve 85-90% with good behavior, at least for men. The minimum is 85%. There is no federal parole. I think she's getting out early for a different reason.
neya 17 hours ago [-]
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minimaxa 16 hours ago [-]
I left some snaps on your iphone, so see we can stare into each other's eyes Liz.
lukasschwab 1 days ago [-]
Super slick buried Extend marketing
kbyatnal 1 days ago [-]
we parsed all the theranos PDF filings with Extend (https://extend.ai/) and wanted a fun interactive way of visualizing them!
captn3m0 1 days ago [-]
Took me a while to figure out why, till I opened Safari read "document processing" and it clicked. Good job.
kbyatnal 24 hours ago [-]
thanks!
AdamN 16 hours ago [-]
Did we get their emails? Would be interesting to tease out the differences between the Enron culture and the Theranos culture (and similarities)
dwroberts 12 hours ago [-]
Given the context this made me assume extend is also some kind of a scam
daemonologist 1 days ago [-]
there's even an extend api key in there (invalid though, would've been cool if it did something special)
rlt 16 hours ago [-]
Landed on it like 3 clicks in and immediately closed the page.
bolau 1 days ago [-]
thank you!!
karahime 1 days ago [-]
You know, for a single pretty rare case of fraud in tech, as opposed to the industries where fraud is common, this gets brought up an excessive amount a decade later.
vintermann 14 hours ago [-]
Two theories:
* It was off-the-charts brazen, and amazing that so many prestigious people got behind it, and that it took so long for anyone blow the whistle/notice that the impossible product didn't in fact exist.
* Sexism.
If you want me to believe #2, I would like to hear what you think are the more comparable cases which don't get bought up as much as this one.
lazyasciiart 1 days ago [-]
Tech? Not the health sector?
andy81 1 days ago [-]
The "tech" sector label is a fraud in its own right.
It makes sense to have a separate label for companies that develop software. They have a unique investment appeal because their cost of production doesn't increase with units sold, so higher PE ratio if growing.
For "some reason" Netflix isn't priced as a media company. Tesla isn't priced as manufacturing.
karahime 1 days ago [-]
That's fair, I guess it depends on how you divide it.
Fricken 22 hours ago [-]
Theranos was first funded and mentored by Tim Draper of Draper Fisher Jurvetson. She's 100% tech.
topaz0 20 hours ago [-]
It's hard to forget when the "pretty rare" (citation needed) case was also shoved down your throat by the fawning media for 5 years first.
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skrrtww 1 days ago [-]
The page crashes instantly in Safari on iOS on an iPhone 13.
enjoyyourlife 19 hours ago [-]
The memory limit for Safari on iOS is less than 400 MB so it's probably because of that
ryandrake 21 hours ago [-]
Doesn’t load at all on an iPhone 7
sgustard 1 days ago [-]
Works great on my iPhone 13.
bolau 1 days ago [-]
looking into it!
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digitaltrees 3 hours ago [-]
Really cool. Actually makes me miss that era of macOS.
neom 1 days ago [-]
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kbyatnal 24 hours ago [-]
A24 (the studio behind the movie) is one of our customers, so we're hosting a watch party in SF
plus, we used our APIs to parse all the theranos PDFs to power the experience
hope our content marketing made your day a bit more fun!
abrookewood 22 hours ago [-]
It's an amazing site - well done.
crystaln 17 hours ago [-]
Sneaky and a little icky, but novel enough to pass.
teaearlgraycold 23 hours ago [-]
Where’s the party? I just built something similar to your product for an SF-based non-profit (fully self-hosted on site) and it’s been extremely useful. Would love to get tips on how we can improve our setup.
3RTB297 18 hours ago [-]
I mean this in the best way possible: This reminds me so much of Microsoft Bob if it had survived to 2016.
aaroninsf 20 hours ago [-]
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chaidhat 1 days ago [-]
At least this is a fun ad. I appreciate the level of commitment the developers put into it. It's not just vibe coded slop which is rare
yakkomajuri 1 days ago [-]
I mean, fair play? I appreciate marketing that has effort involved, especially these days.
You do have to get your word out somehow
Jtarii 24 hours ago [-]
I would prefer if they were upfront about it so I could just not click on it.
Recoil42 1 days ago [-]
The event they're hosting is a free watch party for the movie. You didn't exactly crack the case.
binlog 1 days ago [-]
Feels like they are unintentionally marketing the new Elizabeth Holmes documentary rather than themselves.
Maybe creating the documentary was the most ambitious Nathan For You episode yet, and all simply to build publicity for this company.
twoodfin 21 hours ago [-]
The plan…
- Create a series of increasingly surreal reality TV shows that blur the distinctions between how we see ourselves and how we present to the world as characters.
- Convince a reality-distorting corporate sociopath that my experience making these shows makes me the ideal person to tell her misunderstood story to the world in a breakthrough documentary film.
- Use an advance screening of the film to generate publicity for this previously obscure AI document management startup.
Traubenfuchs 1 days ago [-]
Reddit is full of EH content lately, now this.
All of this must be a marketing campaign for the movie.
conorcleary 23 hours ago [-]
and most of it pumped years ago through JRE
stavros 1 days ago [-]
Wait, this isn't marketing for the documentary?
RobRivera 1 days ago [-]
Llllllllllllol?
phtrivier 10 hours ago [-]
Ok, I have to ask : is there a way to get a "cartridge" to insert into the theranos machine ?
I would love to have the machine "function" up to a point (except, actually doing the analysis results in a "NotImplementedException" of some kind.à
rspeele 10 hours ago [-]
Keep clicking the menus on the screen rather than clicking on the tray itself. When you click “load cartridge” on screen it materializes and closes.
I also initially looked around the desk for a physical cartridge, such was the effectiveness of the rest of the “game”.
tigrezno 13 hours ago [-]
Was having trouble resolving this domain and it's because Quad9 (9.9.9.9) is blocking it lol
tclancy 23 hours ago [-]
Man, was not prepared to come across a Sparklehorse track randomly tonight.
crossroadsguy 1 days ago [-]
In my genearl observations of office desks/cubicles around me I have noticed that the only people with carefully stacked books, often more than one or two, were the ones who didn't really read.
lesostep 14 hours ago [-]
Makes sense. I stack books every time I clean my table, but they get out of stack pretty quickly.
ksd482 1 days ago [-]
Not that it matters or anyone cares, but it's so obvious Balwani was manipulating her emotionally. There are so many instances where he says "Love you", or "love" or "I am in love with your beauty", while she is more direct like "I love you", "I am in love with you" etc.
ambicapter 1 days ago [-]
I don't see how either of your examples are necessarily more direct than the other?
ksd482 1 days ago [-]
hmm..perhaps I was biased because I watched a couple of documentaries, a tv film and read the book by John Carreyrou "Bad Blood", so my eyes were primed to look for this pattern.
But he was definitely manipulative in this regard.
FLeXMurphy 1 days ago [-]
I love how incredibly vapid the emails and text messages are.
And by love I of course mean: I love, LOVE, LOVE, [repeat ad nauseam]
Nails on a chalkboard.
ipvolt 10 hours ago [-]
That's some sick marketing
ksd482 1 days ago [-]
The reminders section is the second most entertaining bit after the messages. Look it up. It's hilarious!!!
bolau 1 days ago [-]
yay i'm glad people are finding all the easter eggs!
episode0x01 1 days ago [-]
Love the camera jump scare. Genius
nbobko 8 hours ago [-]
Can't stop laughing at this one!
bolau 1 days ago [-]
i'm glad someone found it!!
kandros 8 hours ago [-]
The cookie banner is safari was a nice touch
robertlane0 1 days ago [-]
Might be the most tasteful ad I've seen in a hot minute, not bad at all.
ivraatiems 1 days ago [-]
This is remarkably well-made, I love these little simulator dealies.
butlike 6 hours ago [-]
Is this an ad for Extend?
fauria 6 hours ago [-]
What is Extend?
bbor 1 days ago [-]
Ok I'm a pretty passionate anti-advertising advocate, but if advertising is gonna look like anything, it might as well be this!
ChrisMarshallNY 1 days ago [-]
Someone posted this[0], a couple of days ago. It was an old marketing ploy for a company called Veracity.
This is inspired by jmail.world, which may have been inspired itself.
It is obviously not as interesting as jmail.world, but, give her time
mrheosuper 21 hours ago [-]
The setting is unsettling. Remind me of some old horror flash games i used to play.
cyboru 23 hours ago [-]
Genuinely curious: does anyone know if the backers ever got refunded?
flowerlad 1 days ago [-]
The iPhone works and you can even play/listen to music on it!
asxndu 1 days ago [-]
Even the Theranos machine
0xferruccio 1 days ago [-]
this site is so slick great job! love how the email in the iphone works
kbyatnal 1 days ago [-]
there's too many easter eggs to count, I didn't even realize that one existed
bolau 1 days ago [-]
thank you :))
ksd482 1 days ago [-]
I finished the juice. Now what ?
LOL
Excellent work! All the best for the documentary launch!
bolau 1 days ago [-]
thank you for the kind words!!
DonHopkins 1 days ago [-]
The juice was great. Now I have to pee. Where do I click? Can the machine analyze it?
parrot_mk2 22 hours ago [-]
Best ad I've seen in a very long time, but I'm mildly disappointed I couldn't load the juice into the Theranos machine
vjay15 16 hours ago [-]
Blew my mind away.....
flounderXM 6 hours ago [-]
Who made this?
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perarneng 1 days ago [-]
I spent way to much time with that :-D
ghostly_s 13 hours ago [-]
Immediately crashes on my phone, is this something related to Nathan Fielder's new doc?
DonHopkins 1 days ago [-]
I took a photo on the iPhone of Elizabeth Holmes and myself hanging out smoking a joint together!
The share button let me download it.
next_xibalba 1 days ago [-]
Kinda cool, but also annoying that it's just backdoor marketing for a b2b SaaS company.
annoyingnoob 1 days ago [-]
There is no way to run for the door.
henrymerrilees 1 days ago [-]
Bo you are a legend!!!
freecodeio 1 days ago [-]
you can click on the drink to take a sip btw
hmyn 17 hours ago [-]
playfulness is the key
waterTanuki 22 hours ago [-]
I checked the health app on the phone:
> No health data.
:)
very_good_man 23 hours ago [-]
Very cool!
bojackh 23 hours ago [-]
interesting seeing marketing content do so well on HN haha, not bad!
kogasa240p 1 days ago [-]
As someone who only knows Theranos by the creepy lady and that they did some scam this is very interesting. Only critique is that it calls Twitter X, which isn't historically accurate.
EDIT: uhh I thought the movie signup thing was a gag, didn't know it was real. Sorry I guess.
ghm2180 24 hours ago [-]
Context please. What is this?
DonHopkins 1 days ago [-]
Now do Epstein's Laptop!
jingrey 1 days ago [-]
woah this is such a throwback, made me oddly nostalgic. great fucking work
bolau 1 days ago [-]
thank you!!
iamleppert 1 days ago [-]
Why are people giving her anymore attention and time? Yawn. I don't get it. The story has been told, there is nothing new here besides some weird shots of her wide eyed like she always has been. Am I the only person who isn't impressed?
elais-dev 20 hours ago [-]
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Truly brave of him to go against the golden geese, despite turning his own family- and even former attorney generals & military officers- against him.
Its all on 4/11/2014.
Also interesting to see how Sunny & Holmes always thought it was Tyler, or the CLIA Lab Director (Adam) plotting against them.... when their scam was just in plain sight of regulators that bothered to actually do the work.
Holmes/Sunny reaction to Tyler's email and to Adam's resignation (Nov 2014) is one of outrage. Using the power inbalance to make their point, is 101 fraud.
> In my meetings with Daniel I found that the discrepancies between our CVs were due to Daniel calculating CV based on the median value of each precision run, while I was calculating CV of the entire data set for each level. When I asked him why we do this, he said that it was a way to average out the noise. I was under the impression that the coefficient of variation was meant to be, at least in part, a measure of how much noise exists in the data. By averaging out this noise before CV is calculated, the CV as a metric of assay performance becomes less meaningful.
“Becomes less meaningful”… this is the most polite way I can imagine telling your CEO, “hey, our results are all BS”. His message is so thorough and measured, and they just tear into him. He’s the only professional in the room.
Fooling the public is easy. But how do you fool the people working on the machines and trying to get actual results out of them? Sure, dividing the work into micro-tasks help, and creating an atmosphere of suspicion/excitement/respect for authority, etc. But still?!?
I think that can create enough plausibility in researchers' minds (along with keeping work divided and some psychological manipulation). They're thinking this looks kind of terrible and doesn't work for A, B, or C situations, but the business folks tell me this is exactly what they need and works on the market. Add in good pay (Theranos paid well above market for biotech for quite a while) and people won't think too hard about it.
Tyler.
We saw your email to Elizabeth.
Before I get into specifics, let me share with you that had this email come from anyone else in the company, I would have already held them accountable for the arrogant and patronizing tone and reckless comments. In your case, I am giving you the benefit of doubt that your intentions are in the right place, and am taking the time to respond, even though your tone in this email all the way through the last paragraph is not that of someone seeking to understand, but rather someone standing at higher perch of morality and business wisdom. Perhaps this too was not your intent but this clearly comes across as your mind set.
See my comments in red below.
This is a good reminder that arguments on morality and wisdom are used and abused.
If someone is coming off to you as "all superior" you would only listen if you genuinely agree they are, and it's not an act. Otherwise you'll just see a person trying to make you feel inferior. Nobody listens unless they are truly convinced of that superiority, or else it's just an insult. Sunny of course chose to see this as an insult. But the opposite, taking the superiority at face value and just listening to anyone who sounds superior is no better. There are many more signals to take into consideration before deciding whether someone's opinion is worth listening to or taking into consideration.
... and that doesn't mean one gets to discard the message because its tone is noisy. Especially when the message is warning of jail-time-worthy consequences for one's actions.
If someone says "Hey asshole, stop standing on those tracks, that's how idiots get dead..." Their tone makes it hard to accept their message but one is still standing on the tracks.
https://www.spacejam.com/
https://github.com/sv1sjp/flash-swf-to-html5-toolkit
> Theranos is a revolutionary business, founded and led by a remarkable engineer and businesswoman - joined by a team of professionals who have, at their core, embraced her mission to serve humanity through innovation in health care.
eg. https://www.nianticspatial.com/products/capture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-S-x0b9TrE
What would you do with a whole model of the world? I don't know, but it would be fun to walk a national park while I'm on the treadmill or basejump off of a realistic el capitan.
(Borges)
Would also make a great Zwift competitor (cycling app where you can hook up your stationary bike and race or ride on certain routes).
Ref: https://flyawaysimulation.com/ask/answers/microsoft-flight-s...
Like most early-season episodes, it's incredibly depressing but absolutely worth watching. And honestly, I wouldn't mind if AI researchers were forced to watch it (along with The Animatrix).
I wasted a lot of hours in it when I was a teen.
The thing is, she expertly rode a belief system that was already prevalent: that SV was going to change the world and that SV and what was happening there was different. Plenty of WeWork fans as well. Plenty of fans of firms that actually did something as well, but most of those "did something"s were a website.
Crazy how my gut feeling was more than vindicated.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6349349
Did we ever find out what all those people were doing at Theranos? I really haven’t kept up to date.
"Don't obey in advance", Tim Snyder said. But obeying in advance is called showing initiative and is a great career move. In secretive industries it can be hard to know what to obey in advance, but they don't let that stop them!
(for some of us)
like come on... it was so good before
Their name is probably Claude.
Just keep it simple, quoting verbatim
The board of directors looks more like a team to negotiate peace with Iran rather than an actual biotech board
https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/theranos.1043576/
*yes i know, not apples to apples.
Although I bet Lizzie used a Pro..
The only ones who don't are murderers, gang members, drug dealers or whistleblowers. The American legal system judges crimes on how far from "normal behavior" they are, not how much harm they cause.
* It was off-the-charts brazen, and amazing that so many prestigious people got behind it, and that it took so long for anyone blow the whistle/notice that the impossible product didn't in fact exist.
* Sexism.
If you want me to believe #2, I would like to hear what you think are the more comparable cases which don't get bought up as much as this one.
It makes sense to have a separate label for companies that develop software. They have a unique investment appeal because their cost of production doesn't increase with units sold, so higher PE ratio if growing.
For "some reason" Netflix isn't priced as a media company. Tesla isn't priced as manufacturing.
plus, we used our APIs to parse all the theranos PDFs to power the experience
hope our content marketing made your day a bit more fun!
You do have to get your word out somehow
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50013534
- Create a series of increasingly surreal reality TV shows that blur the distinctions between how we see ourselves and how we present to the world as characters.
- Convince a reality-distorting corporate sociopath that my experience making these shows makes me the ideal person to tell her misunderstood story to the world in a breakthrough documentary film.
- Use an advance screening of the film to generate publicity for this previously obscure AI document management startup.
All of this must be a marketing campaign for the movie.
I would love to have the machine "function" up to a point (except, actually doing the analysis results in a "NotImplementedException" of some kind.à
I also initially looked around the desk for a physical cartridge, such was the effectiveness of the rest of the “game”.
But he was definitely manipulative in this regard.
And by love I of course mean: I love, LOVE, LOVE, [repeat ad nauseam]
Nails on a chalkboard.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49932236
It is obviously not as interesting as jmail.world, but, give her time
LOL
Excellent work! All the best for the documentary launch!
The share button let me download it.
> No health data.
:)
EDIT: uhh I thought the movie signup thing was a gag, didn't know it was real. Sorry I guess.