25 mph works for golf courses, resort, or island use. In rural areas on the mainland, roads connecting towns often have 45 or 55 mph speed limits so unless you plan on staying on the farm I don't think these are practical for trips to go shopping, dumping, hauling, etc.
As for the imports, I saw one of these 90s-era right-hand drive kei trucks at a parking lot a few months ago and talked with the owner. He was a young guy who lived in Boston, said it was super easy to park. Speed maxed out at 70 mph, which is fine for local trips but maybe not for long highway trips.
For people in jurisdictions that allow 30 year old truck imports, and are interested in getting one, there are other countries that use such trucks and have left-hand drive. Taiwan has models from CMC and Suzuki, and I believe South Korea also makes them.
classictraffic 2 minutes ago [-]
This would have been an instant buy for me if it weren't for the 25mph limit. That being said, I'm extremely excited by this, because it proves there is demand for Kei trucks in the US. I've done a lot of research into the import process for bringing a truck over from Japan, and I'll likely end up going that route in a year or so unless newer trucks with higher speeds get announced
6DM 59 minutes ago [-]
With a built in 25mph limiter, that eliminates "city" driving too unfortunately. Most roads around me are 35 mph.
There's sizeable demand for people who want to be able to do runs to the bigbox stores for garden and DIY renovation supplies and store it the rest of the time.
bryanlarsen 47 minutes ago [-]
You need to complain to your congressman, not to Toyota. The 25mph limit is set by the Low Speed Vehicle standards.
malfist 22 minutes ago [-]
Why? If they can't make a vehicle safe enough to not require low speed vehicle standards then they should make their vehicles safer.
chowells 15 minutes ago [-]
Because they can't bear to make vehicles smaller. That's the real terror on American roads. Something like 60% of vehicles are huge because it makes the driver feel better. And indeed, it makes the driver safer in a collision - at the cost of making everyone else in the area less safe. Something has to be done to stop this trend first and foremost.
After that, when vehicle sizes start trending down towards reasonable, we can look at getting speeds up without reducing overall safety.
bryanlarsen 19 minutes ago [-]
Low-speed vehicles are essentially golf carts. Do you expect golf carts to be safe at 65 mph?
kridsdale1 51 minutes ago [-]
Speed limits are an upper bound.
Manuel_D 39 minutes ago [-]
I often ride my ebike at 28 MPH (max legal ebike speed in US) on a street with a 25 MPH speed limit and I'll regularly get cars tailgating me honking and crossing the double line to pass.
DoctorOW 49 minutes ago [-]
American here, in practice no. They are generally only the upper bound for dense neighborhood streets, throughout most other roadways you will be considered a poor driver if you go lower than the speed limit.
0x1ch 24 minutes ago [-]
The city of Tacoma, WA recently implemented new ALPR ticketing systems to enforce speed limits in northern Tacoma. They received so many hits, they had to build out a new system akin to a lottery for sending ticket / infraction notices.
To me, that seems like the city is entrapping its citizens to make up for a lack of revenue, when the data clearly shows the speed limit should probably be adjusted. But no, they move to develop a lottery system to send the infractions.
seanmcdirmid 3 minutes ago [-]
25 mph limits abound in Seattle and hardly anyone bothers with following them. The only way they are going to ever enforce that is with speed cameras since we also don't have enough police to even deal with violent crime, let alone with traffic violations.
bryanlarsen 20 minutes ago [-]
Speed limit cameras are highly effective at slowing cars down. They were recently removed in Ontario, and the average road speed increased substantially. The pedestrian death counts spiked in both Toronto and Ottawa this year. This is likely not a coincidence.
0x1ch 4 minutes ago [-]
But did Toronto and Ottawa have to develop a lottery system to enforce the new systems due to capacity issues? Over the course of a month, it was over 400k infractions captured... 40MPH road.
The only reason for the speed to trend downwards is the increasing threat of a ticket from an automated system that cannot be reasoned with. A real cop generally isn't going to ticket me for going 5, maybe even 10 over a posted 40MPH zone unless they fished me for something else during the the stop. Flow of traffic is everything.
rizzom5000 34 minutes ago [-]
Considered a poor driver, and you can be ticketed for impeding traffic. I'd guess you are also more likely to undergo a field sobriety test if and when that time comes.
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readthenotes1 46 minutes ago [-]
Where I live the major strode has a 45 mph speed limit and during most times of the day we only get to 35 mph but people make up for it by running the red light
Dig1t 28 minutes ago [-]
I know two people who have been pulled over in the US for driving too slow.
If you drive significantly slower than the flow of traffic it can create a hazard for other drivers.
Generally speaking, much of driving is predicting what other drivers will do. If you behave significantly differently than other cars you do raise the chances of an accident.
asdff 30 minutes ago [-]
Imagine how many diesel exhaust clouds this clown car going 25mph is going to be served at green lights in the bible belt of the US
lakeviewterrace 18 minutes ago [-]
Uh, zero?
It's a work truck not a Prius with a Coexist sticker.
JKCalhoun 11 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, I see quads on Main Street in the small rural towns in the Midwaste, golf carts tearing around the 'burbs in larger cities…
quickthrowman 7 minutes ago [-]
> There's sizeable demand for people who want to be able to do runs to the bigbox stores for garden and DIY renovation supplies and store it the rest of the time.
Step 1: Drive to Home Depot and buy your items.
Step 2: Rent a truck at Home Depot, load your items into to, drive it home and unload it.
Step 3: Return the truck to Home Depot and drive home.
You could even skip the truck rental and going to to store step and have everything delivered directly to your house.
Either option seems more cost effective to me than buying, maintaining, insuring, and storing an auxiliary vehicle but I’m just a dumb construction project manager.
benfrancom 54 minutes ago [-]
I see folks going 25mph in 35mph every time I drive!
Grombobulous 36 minutes ago [-]
For those of you clamoring for kei trucks to be street legal in the US, you really need to do some street view comparisons between Japan and the US.
US roads are built for much, much higher speeds. Kei cars purposefully give up safety with the caveat that they’re only used on low speed roadways, and Japan designs their roads with the intention of these vehicles being acceptably safe in that context.
wodenokoto 23 minutes ago [-]
Kei-cars are the smallest class of cars allowed on highways in Japan. Japan highway speeds are quite low at 100km/h, which is still more than twice what this car is limited to.
On intercity highways in Japan you are driving next to as large trucks as anywhere I've driven.
Grombobulous 21 minutes ago [-]
Good correction, I was pretty sure they weren’t allowed on highways but I must have misunderstood.
caconym_ 2 minutes ago [-]
This newly announced truck is apparently limited to speeds I'd consider borderline unsafe on American public roads (<= 25 mph) because that puts it in the LSV category, and that's apparently the only way you can sell a Kei truck under current US regulations. So they're making it less safe and less useful in order to be able to sell it here, I suppose thanks to reasoning similar to that which appears in your comment.
IIUC a typical "real" Japanese kei truck can manage 60-70 mph easily, if not comfortably. That's more than enough to hang with traffic on the vast majority of American roads, and nobody sane is using these things as long distance transportation. So the "they're too slow" argument is clearly bunk.
That leaves the safety angle. I can't help noticing that motorcycles are still legal, or did I miss something? Anyway, it's very emblematic of the American approach to road safety that some small, light vehicles are uncertifiable on safety grounds, but the sizes and weights of personal vehicles are allowed to grow in unbounded fashion. There is clearly no safety issue with getting groceries and picking your kid up from school in something that weighs most of 10K lbs and has such dogshit sight lines that you could run over a whole school bus's worth of kids in a crosswalk and hardly notice.
Freedom? Personal responsibility? Not quite---you can make a choice to endanger other road users, but never yourself! Unless you ride a motorcycle, in which case that's okay.
erickhill 55 minutes ago [-]
660cc engine at ~40 horsepower is about the same as a mid-70s VW Beetle - not in cc size, but HP potential.
This little truck could do a lot more than 25 mph if it were allowed to do so. Not saying that would be safe, and I'd not want to ever put one on a busy freeway, but for getting around most urban cities in the US it's fine as-is but would be even better if the limit was ~40 mph.
bryanlarsen 3 minutes ago [-]
John Deere sells tons of Gators, lots of farms have them. This seems more capable and similarly priced.
cf100clunk 6 minutes ago [-]
NYT article: ''Toyota Sees a U.S. Future for Tiny Trucks With a Devoted Following''
why would they build this? i believe there is a legitimate market for small trucks (actual small trucks, not Mavericks), but less than 25mph is just not useable for anything
__alexander 1 hours ago [-]
It’s a huge mistake to limit the speed to 25mph. When this is released in 2027, Kei trucks will be street legal in Colorado. I would have pre-ordered this without question but that speed makes it useless for basic commuting or running errands.
bryanlarsen 55 minutes ago [-]
AFAICT, This truck will not be able to pass either the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) or the EPA/CARB emissions standards for high speed vehicles. The new Colorado rules for Kei vehicles does not remove those requirements because it relies on the existing exemptions available for 25+ year old vehicles.
IOW, it needs to keep the 25mph speed limiter to qualify as a low speed vehicle, even in Colorado.
mike_d 51 minutes ago [-]
EPA/CARB effectively sets a minimum size for trucks. Rather than having a small light truck that can do the job, you get a Ford F250 hauling a single bale of hay.
But rolling back or adding exemptions for small trucks is political suicide despite the clear environmental benefits.
Grombobulous 41 minutes ago [-]
This isn’t really true. See: Ford Maverick.
CARB only nudges manufacturers, but the market’s own purchase preferences are doing the big push.
Perhaps the biggest nudge is that gasoline is undertaxed. Consumers will never see a reason to stop driving a 18-25mpg truck when gas being less than $5 a gallon is considered a “high” price. The gas tax hasn’t kept up with inflation.
I don’t love the ford F-150 for being a monster truck, but consider this: with the right configuration it sears 6 adults comfortably, plus having a bed for cargo. Families legitimately replace minivans and other family vehicles with it, plus it can tow and haul being the body on frame truck that it is.
bryanlarsen 32 minutes ago [-]
This vehicle gets 37mpg. For a vehicle with this footprint, CARB requires 63 mpg for the 2026 standard and 121 for the 2032 standard.
Grombobulous 17 minutes ago [-]
CARB was basically nullified by the Trump administration, right?
Either way, if the Maverick gets 37MPG already, seems like it’s not that much of an ask to get it to 67mpg.
If Slate can make a $25,000 EV truck I don’t see why Ford can’t do the same.
toast0 18 minutes ago [-]
The Ford Maverick is wider and longer than a 1994 s-10 based on a random site [1].
All while the Maverick has a bed that probably can't properly move a couch.
You probably can't really fit a couch on the back of a kei truck either, but it's ok because they're cute.
The Maverick seats 4-5 adults comfortably. I think we can be a little more accepting that consumer tastes have changed.
The appeal of a Maverick is that it’s a normal family vehicle that drives just like a passenger car while having a bed where you can put dirty stuff.
toast0 7 minutes ago [-]
Consumer tastes may have changed... but we don't know for sure because nobody builds the trucks we want.
I know I see a lot of light duty fleets that switched from Rangers to F-150s only because the Ranger was discontinued and there were no small trucks to switch to.
These are businesses that need a 6 foot bed for gear, but don't need to have more than one seat (but two is fine), and would like fuel efficiency and dollar efficiency.
Some of them went to work vans, but nobody is selling those right now either.
I used to have a 2007 Ranger I bought new, but sold it due to parking restrictions and no specific current need for a truck. When I needed a light truck again (~ 2019), there was nothing to buy new. I don't want a real truck cause they're too big, I don't want more than one row of seats. I ended up with a 2003 S-10, cause that's what was available in the marketplace for me.
bryanlarsen 48 minutes ago [-]
The fact that this tiny engine couldn't meet emissions standards is bonkers. But that's the law as written right now.
readthenotes1 45 minutes ago [-]
Where I live the Ford F-250 is not used for falling a single bit of anything other than air. They are in pristine shape and look like they've never been outside the city limits nor off City roads
ceejayoz 37 minutes ago [-]
My favorite example of this is the big lifted pickups innnnnnnching over slightly bumpy railroad crossings.
__alexander 42 minutes ago [-]
Good point.
TSiege 59 minutes ago [-]
I think the strategy is specifically not going for customers who want it for those things. It's meant for farms and work sites not commuting or running errands
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lastofthemojito 53 minutes ago [-]
Toyota doesn't seem to be aiming for your business just yet. From their press release:
> As an intentionally low-volume, niche vehicle, the KEI-01 will initially be offered through a fleet-focused pilot program to help the company learn how it can best serve U.S. customers and use cases.
I do hope they're able to build on this, and maybe offer left-hand-drive and a more reasonable top speed eventually.
laughing_man 46 minutes ago [-]
I doubt Toyota will ever produce a small, inexpensive pickup that you would actually feel comfortable driving on a freeway. It would cut into its Tacoma and Tundra sales, which have a good profit margin. At least, not without some other manufacturer taking market share with such a vehicle.
julienb_sea 37 minutes ago [-]
It's RHD. I suspect they are testing the waters before they build a proper LHD model targeting the broader US consumer market.
kevin_thibedeau 21 minutes ago [-]
There's already a market for off road use. They are far superior to SxS UTVs that are overpriced for what they deliver. You usually get heat and air conditioning in an enclosed cab with flexible bed configurations. SxSs are glorified toys in comparison.
This is exploiting the existing LSV classification to bypass the chicken tax that limits the current market to old used imports. It will be easy enough to mod them for higher speeds on farms.
SoftTalker 40 minutes ago [-]
Limiter delete will likely be readily available in the aftermarket.
I was wondering why they'd keep the same 660cc engine, but it has a 25mph limiter, huh. Waste of an opportunity. 660cc is fine for going 100-120kph here in Japan. I love my kei truck, but speeds in the US are way too fast. I'd want at least a 1L engine.
lp92 12 minutes ago [-]
This product makes no sense. Who exactly are they planning to sell to? I don't think people needing a truck for work would ever use something like this over say a F150.
devmor 10 minutes ago [-]
Presumably people who need to haul up to 600lbs regularly in an industrial or farm setting that don’t want to spend $40k? What an odd question.
It's going to go here for what, $15,000? $25,000? Better than buying a 25 yr old one for $10,000 from a used dealer lot that has no parts or real mechanic trained on them but at that price point..
a Mavrick is better.
The amazon truck is better.
SoftTalker 37 minutes ago [-]
$20K (ish) will get you a Slate EV truck with no options, or a forthcoming REO. Those are real, road-legal trucks not carts with a lawn-mower engine.
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jbm 26 minutes ago [-]
I remember getting into my father in law's kei truck. He literally was given it for free by someone he knew; that is how disposable they are.
And yeah, absolutely not comfortable.
Toyota selling them for $25k is parasitism. The idea of selling a cheap truck is apparently impossible with their cost structures. (Worse, if it succeeds it will ruin the Japanese market)
The best outcome is that this is a mild success and America gets a second generation shit version for 40 or 50k that has been fattened and rendered worthless, much like the second generation XB. (Hopefully the second generation is on some slop tier SUV platform so it doesn't wreck the economics of the Japanese market.)
davexunit 38 minutes ago [-]
The headline excited me but a gas vehicle with a 25mph limit is useless to me. When is someone gonna make an EV truck with a kei-like form factor? The Slate ain't it.
internet2000 39 minutes ago [-]
Let's see if the vocal internet crowd puts their money where their posts are. I predict this being a market failure.
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GenerWork 45 minutes ago [-]
Can’t wait for Floridians to jailbreak the ECU and set it the top speed for max 35 MPH in order to treat it like a long bed golf cart.
Liuser 1 hours ago [-]
Who is the target market for this? It’s an ICE vehicle, 4wd and limited to a maximum speed of 25mph. Farmers?
100percentjake 55 minutes ago [-]
Fleets, as evidenced by Toyota/Scion saying they will exclusively sell to fleet purchasers. My local university, for an example, had 20 or so Daihatsu Hijets when I went to school there, which have given way to far more expensive Ford Bronco Sports and similar. I assume the lack of parts supply and repairability of the Hijets attrited them away. Domestically producing them to keep the chicken tax/tariffs at bay and having dealer service at the local Toyota dealership will make these appealing again in those markets.
alistairSH 1 hours ago [-]
I have a few friends who've purchased older kei trucks. One for use on his property, the other got his tagged in NC (IIRC, it was NC). The local bicycle shop also has a kei van as their "shop truck" (another used one imported from Japan). The imports will go faster than 25mph, but they are terrible on the highway. The 25mph is an artificial limit to meet LSV regulations.
All that said, $25k isn't cheap when you can get a basic Polaris SXS for $15k. It might not be street legal in many states, but much of the usage is going to be on private property.
DASD 53 minutes ago [-]
I'm in Western North Carolina(Asheville) and there are an actual number of kei trucks here. Not every other vehicle common but enough to see maybe 5-10 every day.
I think a kei truck might be a better choice than a sxs if noise ordinances are a concern. e.g. utility vehicles for groundskeeping staff
alistairSH 42 minutes ago [-]
The utility SXS aren't particuarlly loud; it's the "racing" SXS that have minimal off-road exhausts that are as bad a pipe-less crotch rockets.
kelp6063 1 hours ago [-]
Farmers and universities have been picking up kei trucks for the last few years for things like groundskeeping work. Being able to sell a brand-new vehicle with parts availability to these customers is what Toyota is trying to capitalize on
bryanlarsen 38 minutes ago [-]
LSV's like this are extremely popular in the retirement home communities like The Villages in Florida. They're allowed on the golf cart paths, and also on a few roads where golf carts aren't allowed.
everdrive 1 hours ago [-]
It also seems like it'd be a really good city pickup truck.
quickthrowman 13 minutes ago [-]
College campuses, jobsites, large sports complexes, golf courses, farms, solar fields, junkyards, parks departments, road construction crews, etc.
The same places small golf carts, Cushman carts, or side-by-sides are being used already.
chao- 55 minutes ago [-]
A friend with a WFH tech job, who lives on his own land (with family and various critters), bought one a few years ago for hauling materials and supplies around his property.
aaronbrethorst 32 minutes ago [-]
My neighborhood in Seattle has a lot of kei trucks
jdlshore 1 hours ago [-]
“This makes it not really usable as a daily driver, but keeps it in this beautiful sweet spot where it has a shocking number of commercial and agricultural uses.”
Liuser 1 hours ago [-]
Doh thank you. No excuses I can give for my poor reading comprehension.
colechristensen 56 minutes ago [-]
In rural Iowa I saw a ton of those little "UTV", gators, or whatever various brands call them which are effectively beefed up golf carts being driven around town. Trucks have become so enormous and expensive that these somewhat street legal vehicles are taking over for people who just need to go here and there.
behringer 1 hours ago [-]
Farmers or land owners. Great for hauling around your property. Like a 4 wheeler with a trailer but road legal.
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nemomarx 1 hours ago [-]
You do see people taking tractors on roads between farms pretty often, and they usually have the speed limit stuff on.
thelittlenag 1 hours ago [-]
I didn't know Scion had left...
jdc0589 49 minutes ago [-]
bruh
Mr_Eri_Atlov 17 minutes ago [-]
If we change the low-speed vehicle standards to 35 mph or 40 mph, KEI trucks could thrive in America as a low-cost mobility solution!
0xbadcafebee 59 minutes ago [-]
This is pretty cool. It's too bad it's just for fleets. Must be they realized how much money was going to imported Kei trucks, and that they could just... do the importing themselves, and pick up some cash. (edit: looks like they sacrificed payload for the AC/heat? only 600lbs?)
The SXS looks cool, but gearheads want a tiny Jeep replacement (which there are none of in the US), not another UTV/buggy we already have
lenerdenator 1 hours ago [-]
I like the concept, I just find myself wondering if the Big 3 will pull another Chicken Tax move to protect the full-size pickup golden geese.
Toyota - and Japan in general - has a helluva trade relationship with the US, but that's effectively all Detroit knows how to beat the world at anymore and they love the margins on their truck portfolios, to the point that they considered sedans and most coupes to be too thin to warrant continued production.
hydrogen7800 1 hours ago [-]
I recently saw an old kei truck on the road with a CHKNTAX license plate.
tohnjitor 1 hours ago [-]
Toyota will build this truck in Indiana.
kotaKat 11 minutes ago [-]
"Build" is a stretch of the word for them to knock down some HiJets in Japan, ship them over, then put them back together again. Toyota's PR even says they're only adding another 50 jobs with their "expansion" to build the kei in Indiana.
That is NOT a lot of people involved.
moate 1 hours ago [-]
600 LB weight limit including passengers, top speed of 25 mph, and right hand drive this feels specifically design to be toothless against American pickups. This is a novelty product, I saw an image of one loaded with half a dozen hay bails and I'm wondering who even needs that? This is a novelty car for vineyard owners and show pony stables. Like you'd get just as much use out of a JD Gator and they probably have worse weight distribution.
100percentjake 57 minutes ago [-]
It wasn't "designed" for or against anything American. This is a purely Japanese design designed to Japanese tastes that has historically seen enough success in American markets that Toyota's market research has deemed the juice worth the squeeze to begin manufacturing them in the US to get around the Chicken Tax that previously made them prohibitively expensive and sell them to fleet purchasers. My local university had 20 or so Daihatsu Hijets running around until (I assume) parts supply dried up and they were replaced with far-more-expensive Ford Bronco Sports and similar compact crossovers.
lastofthemojito 56 minutes ago [-]
The nice thing about a minitruck over something like a Gator is you get an interior.
I worked golf course landscaping during some summers in college and drove Gators, which did their job well. But they certainly weren't any relief from being out in the sun all day. This Scion minitruck has heat and air conditioning. And locking doors. So it'll be a respite from the outdoors, as well as a secure (well, as secure as any car) place to leave your personal items.
draw_down 48 minutes ago [-]
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snovymgodym 52 minutes ago [-]
tl;dr: it's for the neighborhood golf cart market
heohk 40 minutes ago [-]
Mom, Dad, I'm kei
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As for the imports, I saw one of these 90s-era right-hand drive kei trucks at a parking lot a few months ago and talked with the owner. He was a young guy who lived in Boston, said it was super easy to park. Speed maxed out at 70 mph, which is fine for local trips but maybe not for long highway trips.
For people in jurisdictions that allow 30 year old truck imports, and are interested in getting one, there are other countries that use such trucks and have left-hand drive. Taiwan has models from CMC and Suzuki, and I believe South Korea also makes them.
There's sizeable demand for people who want to be able to do runs to the bigbox stores for garden and DIY renovation supplies and store it the rest of the time.
After that, when vehicle sizes start trending down towards reasonable, we can look at getting speeds up without reducing overall safety.
To me, that seems like the city is entrapping its citizens to make up for a lack of revenue, when the data clearly shows the speed limit should probably be adjusted. But no, they move to develop a lottery system to send the infractions.
The only reason for the speed to trend downwards is the increasing threat of a ticket from an automated system that cannot be reasoned with. A real cop generally isn't going to ticket me for going 5, maybe even 10 over a posted 40MPH zone unless they fished me for something else during the the stop. Flow of traffic is everything.
If you drive significantly slower than the flow of traffic it can create a hazard for other drivers.
Generally speaking, much of driving is predicting what other drivers will do. If you behave significantly differently than other cars you do raise the chances of an accident.
It's a work truck not a Prius with a Coexist sticker.
Step 1: Drive to Home Depot and buy your items.
Step 2: Rent a truck at Home Depot, load your items into to, drive it home and unload it.
Step 3: Return the truck to Home Depot and drive home.
You could even skip the truck rental and going to to store step and have everything delivered directly to your house.
Either option seems more cost effective to me than buying, maintaining, insuring, and storing an auxiliary vehicle but I’m just a dumb construction project manager.
US roads are built for much, much higher speeds. Kei cars purposefully give up safety with the caveat that they’re only used on low speed roadways, and Japan designs their roads with the intention of these vehicles being acceptably safe in that context.
On intercity highways in Japan you are driving next to as large trucks as anywhere I've driven.
IIUC a typical "real" Japanese kei truck can manage 60-70 mph easily, if not comfortably. That's more than enough to hang with traffic on the vast majority of American roads, and nobody sane is using these things as long distance transportation. So the "they're too slow" argument is clearly bunk.
That leaves the safety angle. I can't help noticing that motorcycles are still legal, or did I miss something? Anyway, it's very emblematic of the American approach to road safety that some small, light vehicles are uncertifiable on safety grounds, but the sizes and weights of personal vehicles are allowed to grow in unbounded fashion. There is clearly no safety issue with getting groceries and picking your kid up from school in something that weighs most of 10K lbs and has such dogshit sight lines that you could run over a whole school bus's worth of kids in a crosswalk and hardly notice.
Freedom? Personal responsibility? Not quite---you can make a choice to endanger other road users, but never yourself! Unless you ride a motorcycle, in which case that's okay.
This little truck could do a lot more than 25 mph if it were allowed to do so. Not saying that would be safe, and I'd not want to ever put one on a busy freeway, but for getting around most urban cities in the US it's fine as-is but would be even better if the limit was ~40 mph.
http://archive.today/rLNx6
IOW, it needs to keep the 25mph speed limiter to qualify as a low speed vehicle, even in Colorado.
But rolling back or adding exemptions for small trucks is political suicide despite the clear environmental benefits.
CARB only nudges manufacturers, but the market’s own purchase preferences are doing the big push.
Perhaps the biggest nudge is that gasoline is undertaxed. Consumers will never see a reason to stop driving a 18-25mpg truck when gas being less than $5 a gallon is considered a “high” price. The gas tax hasn’t kept up with inflation.
I don’t love the ford F-150 for being a monster truck, but consider this: with the right configuration it sears 6 adults comfortably, plus having a bed for cargo. Families legitimately replace minivans and other family vehicles with it, plus it can tow and haul being the body on frame truck that it is.
Either way, if the Maverick gets 37MPG already, seems like it’s not that much of an ask to get it to 67mpg.
If Slate can make a $25,000 EV truck I don’t see why Ford can’t do the same.
All while the Maverick has a bed that probably can't properly move a couch.
You probably can't really fit a couch on the back of a kei truck either, but it's ok because they're cute.
[1] https://www.vehiclesizes.com/compare/3771-7714/ford-maverick...
The appeal of a Maverick is that it’s a normal family vehicle that drives just like a passenger car while having a bed where you can put dirty stuff.
I know I see a lot of light duty fleets that switched from Rangers to F-150s only because the Ranger was discontinued and there were no small trucks to switch to.
These are businesses that need a 6 foot bed for gear, but don't need to have more than one seat (but two is fine), and would like fuel efficiency and dollar efficiency.
Some of them went to work vans, but nobody is selling those right now either.
I used to have a 2007 Ranger I bought new, but sold it due to parking restrictions and no specific current need for a truck. When I needed a light truck again (~ 2019), there was nothing to buy new. I don't want a real truck cause they're too big, I don't want more than one row of seats. I ended up with a 2003 S-10, cause that's what was available in the marketplace for me.
> As an intentionally low-volume, niche vehicle, the KEI-01 will initially be offered through a fleet-focused pilot program to help the company learn how it can best serve U.S. customers and use cases.
https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-says-okei-to-america-int...
I do hope they're able to build on this, and maybe offer left-hand-drive and a more reasonable top speed eventually.
This is exploiting the existing LSV classification to bypass the chicken tax that limits the current market to old used imports. It will be easy enough to mod them for higher speeds on farms.
As a result we don't get "right sized" trucks like the kei or more efficient farm vehicles like the hilux.
They are not fun cars, they should be cheap and disposable.
The MSRP for this in japan is less than $10,000,$6000 for the base model:
https://toyota.jp/pixistruck/
It's going to go here for what, $15,000? $25,000? Better than buying a 25 yr old one for $10,000 from a used dealer lot that has no parts or real mechanic trained on them but at that price point..
a Mavrick is better.
The amazon truck is better.
And yeah, absolutely not comfortable.
Toyota selling them for $25k is parasitism. The idea of selling a cheap truck is apparently impossible with their cost structures. (Worse, if it succeeds it will ruin the Japanese market)
The best outcome is that this is a mild success and America gets a second generation shit version for 40 or 50k that has been fattened and rendered worthless, much like the second generation XB. (Hopefully the second generation is on some slop tier SUV platform so it doesn't wreck the economics of the Japanese market.)
All that said, $25k isn't cheap when you can get a basic Polaris SXS for $15k. It might not be street legal in many states, but much of the usage is going to be on private property.
There are even a few businesses that specialize in these vehicles: https://www.marsminitrucks.com
The same places small golf carts, Cushman carts, or side-by-sides are being used already.
The SXS looks cool, but gearheads want a tiny Jeep replacement (which there are none of in the US), not another UTV/buggy we already have
Toyota - and Japan in general - has a helluva trade relationship with the US, but that's effectively all Detroit knows how to beat the world at anymore and they love the margins on their truck portfolios, to the point that they considered sedans and most coupes to be too thin to warrant continued production.
That is NOT a lot of people involved.
I worked golf course landscaping during some summers in college and drove Gators, which did their job well. But they certainly weren't any relief from being out in the sun all day. This Scion minitruck has heat and air conditioning. And locking doors. So it'll be a respite from the outdoors, as well as a secure (well, as secure as any car) place to leave your personal items.